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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:38:11 GMT -5
I don't claim to know everything or have watched every team, but from what I've seen, this is what mine would be to fill out the 14 team 1st team AA. Cassie Strickland (Washington) Samantha Bricio (USC) Aiyana Whitney (Penn State) Lyanna Sybeldon (Washington) Daly Santana (Minnesota) Rhamat Alhassan (Florida) Justine Wong-Orantes (Nebraska) Nikki Taylor (Hawaii) Lauren Carlini (Wisconsin) Chiaka Ogbogu (Texas) Ainise Havili (Kansas) Kelsie Payne (Kansas) Amy Neal (Texas) Samantha Seliger Swenson (Minnesota) No at Strickland making first team or Kansas getting two, sorry can't agree. Then you didn't just watch the last match. Havili and Payne are elite, are absolutely 2 of the best 14 players in the country, and they back it up with excellent numbers and a Final Four appearance. Check your privilege.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:39:02 GMT -5
I agree. Coming from a Stanford fan too When Payne plays 6 rotations, and gives her team a weapon out of the back row on the D, then we can discuss her. Not a requirement, never gonna be a requirement. Please join the rest of us in 2015.
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Post by fetchin on Dec 13, 2015 2:40:53 GMT -5
No at Strickland making first team or Kansas getting two, sorry can't agree. Then you didn't just watch the last match. Havili and Payne are elite, are absolutely 2 of the best 14 players in the country, and they back it up with excellent numbers and a Final Four appearance. Check your privilege. I made the post when USC was way ahead in the fifth, so shut up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:43:24 GMT -5
Then you didn't just watch the last match. Havili and Payne are elite, are absolutely 2 of the best 14 players in the country, and they back it up with excellent numbers and a Final Four appearance. Check your privilege. I made the post when USC was way ahead in the fifth, so shut up. Oh, so you learned your lesson, then. Good.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 13, 2015 2:44:25 GMT -5
At this point I'd vote: Samantha Bricio (USC) Haleigh Washington (Penn State) Lyanna Sybeldon (Washington) Daly Santana (Minnesota) Rhamat Alhassan (Florida) Justine Wong-Orantes (Nebraska) Nikki Taylor (Hawaii) Lauren Carlini (Wisconsin) Chiaka Ogbogu (Texas) Ainise Havili (Kansas) Kelsie Payne (Kansas) Amy Neal (Texas) Alexa Gray (BYU) Kadie Rolfzen (Nebraska)
Bricio-POY Ray Bechard-COY (Kansas Hodson-FOY
Hate to leave Megan Courtney off of there since I think she's a better player than anyone on this list sans Bricio/Carlini, but she just doesn't have the numbers or team success to validate putting her on there.
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Post by 5280volleyball on Dec 13, 2015 2:53:42 GMT -5
When Payne plays 6 rotations, and gives her team a weapon out of the back row on the D, then we can discuss her. Not a requirement, never gonna be a requirement. Please join the rest of us in 2015. Unless you have nuclear numbers (like you're an RS who only plays 3 rotations, but still averages 6 kills per set for the year), I won't vote for someone who isn't a 6 rotation player. Middles are the exception since they almost always get pulled for a libero or switch with the setter in a 6-2. All American awards are supposed to recognize the players who are the best in the sport at their positions. When you need to sit on the bench for half the match because you hurt your team by playing in the back row, that's a sign you need to improve your game. Holston is a great example here....Florida pulled her for a DS as a freshman, and now she plays 6 rotations almost all the time (they will have a DS serve sometimes, but then she comes back in right away). She had some big swings from the back row tonight that kept her team in the match. Hawaii got back into their match tonight in large part because Nikki Taylor was a weapon in the back row. Kadie Rolfzen was everywhere for Nebraska and has recorded a double/double in every match this post season. That's what All American level play looks like, and that is something that all the voters should be considering when they make this decision.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:55:22 GMT -5
Not a requirement, never gonna be a requirement. Please join the rest of us in 2015. Unless you have nuclear numbers (like you're an RS who only plays 3 rotations, then gets subbed out in back but still averages 6 kills per set for the year), I won't vote for someone who isn't a 6 rotation player. Newsflash: YOU DON'T GET A VOTE.
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Post by fetchin on Dec 13, 2015 2:55:23 GMT -5
Not a requirement, never gonna be a requirement. Please join the rest of us in 2015. Unless you have nuclear numbers (like you're an RS who only plays 3 rotations, then gets subbed out in back but still averages 6 kills per set for the year), I won't vote for someone who isn't a 6 rotation player. Middles are the exception since they almost always get pulled for a libero or switch with the setter in a 6-2. All American awards are supposed to recognize the players who are the best in the sport at their positions. When you need to sit on the bench for half the match because you hurt your team by playing in the back row, that's a sign you need to improve your game. Holston is a great example here....Florida pulled her for a DS as a freshman, and now she plays 6 rotations almost all the time (they will have a DS serve sometimes, but then she comes back in). She had some big swings from the back row tonight that kept her team in the match. Hawaii got back into their match tonight in large part because Nikki Taylor was a weapon in the back row. Kadie Rolfzen was everywhere for Nebraska and has recorded a double/double in every match this post season. That's what All American level play looks like, and that is something that all the voters should be considering when they make this decision. I agree and think it was ridiculous that Nwanebu won FOY over Carlini a few years ago when Nwanebu didn't play backrow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 3:01:14 GMT -5
Not a requirement, never gonna be a requirement. Please join the rest of us in 2015. All American awards are supposed to recognize the players who are the best in the sport at their positions. And, again, definitions and roles have changed for the different positions of this sport. Please join the rest of us in 2015. If we go with your logic, middle blockers would also never be recognized ("When you need to sit on the bench for half the match because you hurt your team by playing in the back row, that's a sign you need to improve your game"). Should they also not be honored until they can improve their back row games? The All-America Awards are not meant to recognize the most well-rounded players in the game, or the best six-rotation kids, or whatever other definition you've ascribed to them. It's meant to recognize the best. The athletes that win. The athletes that impact matches at an incredible level. Your point of view here just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by fetchin on Dec 13, 2015 3:02:36 GMT -5
All American awards are supposed to recognize the players who are the best in the sport at their positions. And, again, definitions and roles have changed for the different positions of this sport. Please join the rest of us in 2015. If we go with your logic, middle blockers would also never be recognized ("When you need to sit on the bench for half the match because you hurt your team by playing in the back row, that's a sign you need to improve your game"). Should they also not be honored until they can improve their back row games? The All-America Awards are not meant to recognize the most well-rounded players in the game, or the best six-rotation kids, or whatever other definition you've ascribed to them. It's meant to recognize the best. The athletes that win. The athletes that impact matches at an incredible level. Your point of view here just doesn't make any sense. In the rest of the world Pin hitters need to play all around.
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Post by 5280volleyball on Dec 13, 2015 3:05:50 GMT -5
Unless you have nuclear numbers (like you're an RS who only plays 3 rotations, then gets subbed out in back but still averages 6 kills per set for the year), I won't vote for someone who isn't a 6 rotation player. Newsflash: YOU DON'T GET A VOTE. Nor do you, but I think the voters should look at the entire body of work. I recall when Bailey Webster played at Texas and everyone thought she was great. She could hit like no one's business, but watching her play defense was comical, she was a bad blocker, couldn't pass, and couldn't serve. Is that the kind of player who should be recognized as one of the best in our sport? I don't think anyone in their right mind would say that on a blind draw. They'd look at the stats and choose someone else. But as soon as it's "Oh, she hits a heavy ball and plays for a top 15 team," she's an All-American. That needs to change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 3:08:53 GMT -5
And, again, definitions and roles have changed for the different positions of this sport. Please join the rest of us in 2015. If we go with your logic, middle blockers would also never be recognized ("When you need to sit on the bench for half the match because you hurt your team by playing in the back row, that's a sign you need to improve your game"). Should they also not be honored until they can improve their back row games? The All-America Awards are not meant to recognize the most well-rounded players in the game, or the best six-rotation kids, or whatever other definition you've ascribed to them. It's meant to recognize the best. The athletes that win. The athletes that impact matches at an incredible level. Your point of view here just doesn't make any sense. In the rest of the world Pin hitters need to play all around. Wow very cool! The AMERICAN Volleyball Coaches Association doesn't care about what the rest of the world does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 3:14:38 GMT -5
Newsflash: YOU DON'T GET A VOTE. I recall when Bailey Webster played at Texas and everyone thought she was great. She could hit like no one's business, but watching her play defense was comical, she was a bad blocker, couldn't pass, and couldn't serve. LOL. 2011: 0.84 bps 2012: 0.79 bps 2013: 0.61 bps Some people only see what they want to see. I'll leave you with that.
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Post by 5280volleyball on Dec 13, 2015 3:23:15 GMT -5
I recall when Bailey Webster played at Texas and everyone thought she was great. She could hit like no one's business, but watching her play defense was comical, she was a bad blocker, couldn't pass, and couldn't serve. LOL. 2011: 0.84 bps 2012: 0.79 bps 2013: 0.61 bps Some people only see what they want to see. I'll leave you with that. I see her blocking stats regressed every year. Even if I give you a pass there, we have an OH who hits very well and blocks at a level you deem acceptable (and I would agree based on the raw numbers). But she still can't defend, pass, or serve. Is that really a player we want to recognize as one of the very best in our sport?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 3:25:47 GMT -5
LOL. 2011: 0.84 bps 2012: 0.79 bps 2013: 0.61 bps Some people only see what they want to see. I'll leave you with that. I see her blocking stats regressed every year. Even if I give you a pass there, we have an OH who hits very well and blocks at a level you deem acceptable (and I would agree based on the raw numbers). But she still can't defend, pass, or serve. Is that really a player we want to recognize as one of the very best in our sport? I'm not continuing this conversation with you until you can come up with a legitimate argument to support your, "when you need to sit on the bench for half the match because you hurt your team by playing in the back row, that's a sign you need to improve your game" statement relative to middle blockers and what that position has become over the years with the addition of more subs, different substitution rules, and the libero.
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