change at michigan?

[j2s]

anyone else think it's time for michigan to bring in a new coaching staff? reasons for doing so: 1) this is rosen's 17th season and they've never won a big ten title. haven't even come close. they typically finish in the middle of the pack. 2) rosen's success is a string of four or five years where the team got hot in the tournament earning a few sweet sixteens, an elite eight and pushed texas to five in a semi. but that's five years out of 17. 3) i don't have any stats to back this up but his teams always seem error prone, and i'm speaking primarily about attacking errors. tonight's fourth set against ucla... 10 attacking errors?? year in, year out, it always feels that way. top teams just don't do that. 4) and to expand on the year in, year out bit... it doesn't feel like any progress is being made or that the program is getting better. 17 years of his system and recruits and it's going nowhere. just watching sheffield and mccutcheon come in and turn things around for wisconsin and minnesota makes it hard for me to swallow another 17 years of the same old, same old. am i crazy in feeling/thinking this? what do you guys think?

[Mocha]

No

[Wolfgang]

They care more about how Harbaugh is doing.

[j2s]

yeah, i mean, for michigan football, mediocrity and lack of titles will get you dumped. why should it be any different for volleyball (or any of the other olympic sports for that matter)?

[transformer]

No.. He is doing a great job. He is a great guy and knows his stuff.

[SuperSpike]

Tonight was an away game late at night on the West coast vs a team that was digging everything.
I thought systems looked ok but adjustments came maybe a little slow. Was really impressed with their passing, but offense looked weak.

I'm no MI expert but those are my thoughts just from part of the match I saw.

[gophervbfan]

I think you are a little bit crazy....a little bit not. There is always the gut feeling that the program can do better but sometimes you find out the program starts to actually get worse after a change. A quick example is Gopher men's basketball. It was sort of a surprise when Tubby Smith got fired right after taking the team into the NCAA Tournament but many people thought the program should be better. Now the program has had Richard Pitino as head coach and they lose today to South Dakota. South Dakota!

A Rosen firing would be similar to this. Letting a coach go who is consistently taking a team to the NCAA Tournament. I enjoyed watching Michigan play this year. Great defense....just a scrappy team that could frustrate an opponent. Knop stepped up to play all the way around and she gave great effort as a very undersized OH. At a minimum, the AD should sit down with Rosen and give him another year or two to take the team to a higher level before you let him go.

Look at Iowa football. Ferentz is in his 17th year, just like Rosen. A year ago, it seemed everybody in the state of Iowa wanted him fired and tonight he was 30 seconds away from taking them to the college football playoff final four.

[j2s]

okay, i've only been watching for a few years so i'm not as knowledgeable as you guys so i'll hang in there and hope for the best.

gophervbfan, that ferentz analogy was great. it makes me a little more hopeful.

[hammer]

He beats Stanford every time ... what else do you want?

[heystvn]

I think the coaching staff is doing a great job. The team might not have won or come close to winning the B1G, but they've performed well in the tournament - where it counts the most.

[bucky415]

Dec 6, 2015 1:26:48 GMT -5 j2s said:

yeah, i mean, for michigan football, mediocrity and lack of titles will get you dumped. why should it be any different for volleyball (or any of the other olympic sports for that matter)?

The vibe I get from Michigan is that football matters a lot and the rest of the sports aren't a very big deal. They didn't even consistently sell out Crisler when they had the Fab Five, and their attendance at women's basketball and volleyball are relatively low for the conference (I realize Cliff Keen's capacity could hold down the latter at times). I think Rosen has done a pretty good job of getting them in the tournament consistently and has done pretty well there. It is in league play where they have struggled some, but the league has gotten a lot stronger since the early part of his tenure, and I think his teams are actually part of that. They may not have made a huge jump within the league, but, relative to the rest of Division 1, they are stronger, in my opinion. Also, the Ferentz comparison doesn't hold up completely, because I doubt Rosen is near the top of the league and overall in salary, unlike Ferentz.

[BuckysHeat]

They play in a swimming pool for petes sake, do you really think UM is going to fire him as long as he isn't embarrassing the university?

[dorothymantooth]

Dec 6, 2015 1:13:52 GMT -5 j2s said:

anyone else think it's time for michigan to bring in a new coaching staff? reasons for doing so: 1) this is rosen's 17th season and they've never won a big ten title. haven't even come close. they typically finish in the middle of the pack. 2) rosen's success is a string of four or five years where the team got hot in the tournament earning a few sweet sixteens, an elite eight and pushed texas to five in a semi. but that's five years out of 17. 3) i don't have any stats to back this up but his teams always seem error prone, and i'm speaking primarily about attacking errors. tonight's fourth set against ucla... 10 attacking errors?? year in, year out, it always feels that way. top teams just don't do that. 4) and to expand on the year in, year out bit... it doesn't feel like any progress is being made or that the program is getting better. 17 years of his system and recruits and it's going nowhere. just watching sheffield and mccutcheon come in and turn things around for wisconsin and minnesota makes it hard for me to swallow another 17 years of the same old, same old. am i crazy in feeling/thinking this? what do you guys think?

zero chance

[Deleted]

Using Big 10 titles to determine whether a coach should be canned isn't wise in volleyball. Go back and look at Big 10 titles the past 15 years or so...how many have non-PSU teams won?

If taking some teams to the Sweet 16, a Final Four appearance isn't success....what is. Then again, we're talking Michigan where Lloyd Carr was let go which has led to a decade of crap before hiring Harbaugh.

[mikeschall]

Dec 6, 2015 1:13:52 GMT -5 j2s said:

anyone else think it's time for michigan to bring in a new coaching staff? reasons for doing so: 1) this is rosen's 17th season and they've never won a big ten title. haven't even come close. they typically finish in the middle of the pack. 2) rosen's success is a string of four or five years where the team got hot in the tournament earning a few sweet sixteens, an elite eight and pushed texas to five in a semi. but that's five years out of 17. 3) i don't have any stats to back this up but his teams always seem error prone, and i'm speaking primarily about attacking errors. tonight's fourth set against ucla... 10 attacking errors?? year in, year out, it always feels that way. top teams just don't do that. 4) and to expand on the year in, year out bit... it doesn't feel like any progress is being made or that the program is getting better. 17 years of his system and recruits and it's going nowhere. just watching sheffield and mccutcheon come in and turn things around for wisconsin and minnesota makes it hard for me to swallow another 17 years of the same old, same old. am i crazy in feeling/thinking this? what do you guys think?

Just stop. I don't like discussion of people losing jobs like it's fantasy football. The staff at Michigan has done a nice job for many years.