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Post by gophervbfan on Dec 13, 2015 17:44:46 GMT -5
To be honest, there are two things that are slightly disturbing with this brutal call. One, it it EXTREMELY difficult for a line judge to miss a call this badly. Even in club volleyball using a player from another team who isn't paying much attention, this call gets made correctly virtually 100% of the time. Two, where in the world was the R1 during this horrific call, to not be able to overrule it?
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Post by kokyu on Dec 13, 2015 17:46:30 GMT -5
I'm all for water under the bridge when the ball lands on the line called out or invisible to naked eye micro touch on net/blocks, but a ball in by almost two feet is no different than a ball landing middle of the court. Except for that whole two feet part.  |
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Post by kokyu on Dec 13, 2015 17:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 17:51:37 GMT -5
Up ref was obviously screened.
People, we need to move on. For whatever reason, the linesman lost concentration and missed the call. It happens. Unfortunately, the up ref must not have seen the play and could not therefore overrule it.
Right now, we're just complaining about the rain.
But forget about replay: Why aren't 4 linesmen used for these matches?
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Post by kokyu on Dec 13, 2015 17:55:12 GMT -5
Doppel, you should read the match thread and watch the play replay posted there. I already noted R1 was still watching the net action when the ball landed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 18:00:56 GMT -5
OK? That would not change the fact he would not be in position to overrule this then. Although it was long past time for him to be "watching the net action."
My guess you are wrong about that, too. Surprise, surprise.
This is not the topic of the thread, however. Keep your responses focused on the OP's question, please.
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Post by n00b on Dec 13, 2015 18:01:15 GMT -5
Up ref was obviously screened. Look at the picture kokyu posted. There is no way the R1 was screened. He can easily see over the libero to the middle of the endline, where the ball landed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 18:04:01 GMT -5
The up ref is not in this picture.
Are we now saying the up ref was on the take, too? Does anyone seriously believe he would not have overruled that call if he had seen it?
Incompetence is one thing. Corruption? Give me a break.
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Post by kokyu on Dec 13, 2015 18:05:52 GMT -5
The up ref is not in this picture. Are we now saying the up ref was on the take, too? Does anyone seriously believe he would not have overruled that call if he had seen it? Incompetence is one thing. Corruption? Give me a break. Wowa, I already absolved R1 of complicity and you're trying to say I'm saying otherwise? |
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Post by n00b on Dec 13, 2015 18:09:20 GMT -5
The up ref is not in this picture. Are we now saying the up ref was on the take, too? Does anyone seriously believe he would not have overruled that call if he had seen it? Incompetence is one thing. Corruption? Give me a break. I'm not claiming corruption (kokyu might be). I'm saying that if the NCAA is claiming this guy is one of the 8 best officials in the country, they got it wrong because the R1 should overrule this. You can see the R1's white shoes in the picture. I think it's a fair assumption that his head is above those. The only person between him and the ball is the 5-7 libero. From his elevated position, he can see over her to where the ball landed. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 13, 2015 18:11:17 GMT -5
and if this had happened to my team ... i would be BIK'd ... and hawaii fans would set this board on fire! still though ... them's the breaks ... It DID happen to my team just last year, when the UW had an obvious ace that was several feet in get called "out", and that was part of how Nebraska knocked them out of the tournament. But as they always say, it's best to not put yourself into a situation where one bad call can lose it for you. I do think there should be replay for this, though. In/out is actually a very challenging call to make for human beings. Our visual processing doesn't actually work as quickly as we think it does, and we do a lot of interpolation to fill in the gaps. That leaves us subject to seeing things that didn't actually happen -- like a ball that lands in bring called "out". |
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Post by kokyu on Dec 13, 2015 18:11:45 GMT -5
The up ref is not in this picture. Are we now saying the up ref was on the take, too? Does anyone seriously believe he would not have overruled that call if he had seen it? Incompetence is one thing. Corruption? Give me a break. I'm not claiming corruption (kokyu might be). I'm saying that if the NCAA is claiming this guy is one of the 8 best officials in the country, they got it wrong because the R1 should overrule this. You can see the R1's white shoes in the picture. I think it's a fair assumption that his head is above those. The only person between him and the ball is the 5-7 libero. From his elevated position, he can see over her to where the ball landed. Folks, how about watching the replay before commenting on it eh? It's not uncommon for R1 to not see an unobstructed line call. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 18:15:54 GMT -5
I was responding to nOOb about corruption. If you think the R1 saw the ball in and didn't call it, what are you saying?
kokyu is claiming the linesman was on the take.
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Post by kokyu on Dec 13, 2015 18:18:10 GMT -5
Actually I proved it but that's nothing new to the game either.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 13, 2015 18:18:21 GMT -5
Also, I don't think coaches should be put in the position of being expected to make honor calls. If you are playing without refs, you should make honor calls. If playing with refs, that's their job.
I played Ultimate for many years, and calling your own fouls (in fact, playing without refs at all) was considered part of the "spirit of the game". Golf has a similar ethos. But for most reffed sports, accepting the good and the bad calls is just part of the sport.
I do like video replay, but it never really solves the problem. It does, however, allow for fixing the really obvious mistakes. And I think that would be a good thing.
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