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Post by VolleyballMag on Feb 4, 2016 13:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 4, 2016 15:45:56 GMT -5
Well, you certainly picked the right person to illustrate your point for you! lol
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Post by beba on Feb 5, 2016 12:05:26 GMT -5
There are about 320 D1 teams (I'm too lazy to look up the exact number). If you assume that each team has 15 players, that is 4,800 women. Divide that by the "staggering" (the writer used the word twice to really emphasize how "staggering" the problem is)164 transfers, the result is about 3% of all players transferred. In other words, 97% of players did not transfer.
This does not strike me as a "staggering" problem...
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Post by beba on Feb 5, 2016 12:08:42 GMT -5
There are about 320 D1 teams (I'm too lazy to look up the exact number). If you assume that each team has 15 players, that is 4,800 women. Divide that by the "staggering" (the writer used the word twice to really emphasize how "staggering" the problem is)164 transfers, the result is about 3% of all players transferred. In other words, 97% of players did not transfer.
This does not strike me as a "staggering" problem...
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Post by beba on Feb 5, 2016 12:10:17 GMT -5
Oops...
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 5, 2016 12:31:27 GMT -5
What exactly is the "problem" of college students being able to switch colleges if they come to believe that is what is best for them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 12:38:20 GMT -5
This is a poor analogy. A commitment to a team is not the same thing as enrolling in a college. Sort of like choosing a bank for a savings account isn't like getting a loan from a bank.
Now, there are OTHER arguments. But this one doesn't do much for me.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 5, 2016 12:47:23 GMT -5
This is a poor analogy. A commitment to a team is not the same thing as enrolling in a college. Sort of like choosing a bank for a savings account isn't like getting a loan from a bank. Now, there are OTHER arguments. But this one doesn't do much for me. Funny how we tend to piously give advice that players should "be college students first, athletes second" or "choose the school, not the team or coach" (etc. etc.), but then treat them like contract employees or even indentured servants as soon as they start playing. In the case of NCAA sports, switching teams is EXACTLY like a college student switching colleges, because that's what it literally is! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 13:03:39 GMT -5
Except for the fact it isn't anything like it, I agree with you.
The point isn't that they are servants. The point is that they have made a commitment to a TEAM. Now, like I said, there are plenty of other arguments and one of them would be that you should be able to break that commitment. But it isn't the same thing as changing schools and you know it.
I should have stuck with my first analogy. It's the difference between going to a party to meet girls (or boys) and marrying one of them. You should be free to find another party. But you should be a little less (at least) free to find another spouse. That's why it's called a commitment, imo.
Piously? OK, then. That's helpful.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 5, 2016 13:11:04 GMT -5
But it isn't the same thing as changing schools and you know it. It LITERALLY is EXACTLY that! How can it not be "the same thing as" something it ACTUALLY IS? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 13:13:34 GMT -5
But it isn't the same thing as changing schools and you know it. It LITERALLY is EXACTLY that! How can it not be "the same thing as" something it ACTUALLY IS? Because it isn't and you know it. You think breaking a commitment to play for a college team is the same as changing schools? Why would you think that was LITERALLY the same thing when we have to LITERALLY use different words to describe each event? I can't believe you are defending this. You overstated your case. Admit it and move on. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 5, 2016 13:18:11 GMT -5
Speak for yourself. I have not used "different words" to describe the event. I have consistently used the exact same words: "a college student changing colleges". YOU are the one using different words. It's almost like you don't think student athletes are real college students.
Clearly you think their "commitment to the team" should take priority over their ability to decide which college they want to attend.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 13:29:01 GMT -5
That's not what I said and you know it. But I'll make my position clear:
I think college athletes should be able to break their commitments to their teams. I do NOT think it is the same situation as "a college student changing colleges", nor do I think it SHOULD BE AS EASY. Because Commitment.
Even shorter: It is not the same thing. Everything else you are bringing up in regards to my point? Strawmen galore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 13:35:42 GMT -5
Since you added this: Clearly you think their "commitment to the team" should take priority over their ability to decide which college they want to attend. Clearly, I have said no such thing. What I have said is that a college student who makes a commitment to a college team, especially a scholarship athlete, is different from a college student who has not made such a commitment. They should still be able to decide to transfer. But it's not going to be as easy and there are going to be consequences, sometimes small, sometimes not so small. Because Commitment. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 5, 2016 13:39:47 GMT -5
A college student might be in a department, have friends, study partners, romantic partners, etc. Changing schools is a big decision and can affect a lot of people. But in the end, like all decisions, it is up to the person making it to balance all the factors, make a choice, and move on with whatever that choice is.
When someone gets divorced, for instance, I don't automatically think their decision is wrong. Or even that their decision to get married was wrong. They might BOTH have been the best choice available, because circumstances and people change over time.
I know that this is a volleyball site and we naturally see players, coaches, and teams in terms of volleyball. But they are people, and volleyball is only a part of who they are.
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