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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 23, 2016 17:46:08 GMT -5
A fine athletic volleyball tradition indeed. Tim Duncan lead them to a pair of sweet 16 appearances and won the Naismith and Wooden awards as the best college player in all the land while he was there. Wake Forest is a very good school that at the present time has terrible leadership in the athletic department. I'll agree with the terrible leadership. But even with good leadership they have never ever paid any attention to the Olympic sports. What has Wake done in the overall athletic big picture outside of Duncan? I would say that the Tim Duncan period was the anomaly rather than the rule.
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Post by Vballin on Apr 23, 2016 17:59:27 GMT -5
Reed Sunahara is IMO a good man and a good coach. He should not be lumped in with jerks. If I understand the situation correctly there where personal family matters that played into his decisions. Then you definitely don't know why he was removed. If you did, he wouldn't be on the good list. I know him as well. I also know why he left. I also completely stand by my comment on him. He is a great coach and guy.
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Post by owlsem on Apr 23, 2016 22:54:44 GMT -5
If Wake had to apply for membership to the ACC today could it get in? Geography and TV markets are all wrong. I think Wake's membership is a heritage membership from a different era. As for volleyball there are small high schools with larger nicer facilities and larger crowds.
Go to Wake for the education. not the sports. Nothing wrong with that. But this does not tick the boxes of what today's power 5 are about. And there is nothing wrong with that for the power 5.
As for the issues raised with Murzek I have no knowledge but it has a feel of change of era. How many hall of fame coaches won nice guy awards in any sport? Woody Hayes, Bo, Vince Lombardi? Bear Bryant and the Junction boys. They were role models in their era. When did players become entitled to have an opinion? Twitter Facebook? New coach not accepted by the returning players, and he is mean and unreasonable and even swears sometimes. ARRGH! How many wins did Emily Post have? Have you ever heard the girls talk when they did not think anyone was listening? Turns my hair white! So I lack some sympathy here for the damage done by a mean vulgar coach. The girls have said worse to each other.
Off my soapbox
I wish the the old coach and new coach the best of luck. Both will need it.
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Post by vbagent on Apr 24, 2016 6:55:39 GMT -5
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Post by jbhuntin on Apr 24, 2016 9:02:41 GMT -5
I'm not defending the guy, but I have to wonder if the school newspaper and the AD did a through investigation, what did the school do with the findings if they were so bad? I guess only the flies will know.
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Post by silversurfer on Apr 24, 2016 10:39:11 GMT -5
I'm not defending the guy, but I have to wonder if the school newspaper and the AD did a through investigation, what did the school do with the findings if they were so bad? I guess only the flies will know. Seems that the AD botched the original investigation, meaning the president had to come in and cut bait.
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Post by utoolity on Apr 24, 2016 15:50:17 GMT -5
How many hall of fame coaches won nice guy awards in any sport? Woody Hayes, Bo, Vince Lombardi? Bear Bryant and the Junction boys. They were role models in their era. When did players become entitled to have an opinion? Twitter Facebook? New coach not accepted by the returning players, and he is mean and unreasonable and even swears sometimes. ARRGH! How many wins did Emily Post have? Probably not the best analogy to compare women volleyball to football? Football has its own unique culture that is different from most other sports. Why not compare instead to coach Wooden? Hyper competitive, the ultimate winner in college sports, who treated his players with dignity and respect, rarely yelled and didn't swear. Today I would look at coach K. Coach K swears.
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Post by d3coach on Apr 24, 2016 16:04:12 GMT -5
How many hall of fame coaches won nice guy awards in any sport? Woody Hayes, Bo, Vince Lombardi? Bear Bryant and the Junction boys. They were role models in their era. When did players become entitled to have an opinion? Twitter Facebook? New coach not accepted by the returning players, and he is mean and unreasonable and even swears sometimes. ARRGH! How many wins did Emily Post have? Probably not the best analogy to compare women volleyball to football? Football has its own unique culture that is different from most other sports. Why not compare instead to coach Wooden? Hyper competitive, the ultimate winner in college sports, who treated his players with dignity and respect, rarely yelled and didn't swear. Today I would look at coach K. If you think coach K rarely yells and doesn't swear, then you really only know his public image not his actual coaching style. Yelling isn't demeaning. Cursing isn't demeaning. Belittling players, degrading players, attacking players, etc... Is poor coaching and is has very little to do with yelling and swearing. Yelling, 100% ok particularly in a practice or game setting (although the content and context can change that). Swearing I think is a little more contextual, i.e. who are you coaching, what are the cultural norms in that environment, frequency, actual words used, etc...
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 24, 2016 16:08:36 GMT -5
How many hall of fame coaches won nice guy awards in any sport? Woody Hayes, Bo, Vince Lombardi? Bear Bryant and the Junction boys. They were role models in their era. When did players become entitled to have an opinion? Twitter Facebook? New coach not accepted by the returning players, and he is mean and unreasonable and even swears sometimes. ARRGH! How many wins did Emily Post have? Probably not the best analogy to compare women volleyball to football? Football has its own unique culture that is different from most other sports. Why not compare instead to coach Wooden? Hyper competitive, the ultimate winner in college sports, who treated his players with dignity and respect, rarely yelled and didn't swear. Today I would look at coach K. Wooden also benefitted from a level of cheating and corruption which would get a modern coach banned for life from NCAA.
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 24, 2016 16:15:36 GMT -5
NCAA athlete's have years of playing their respective sports at high level, against good competition. They have usually encountered most types of coaching styles, the athlete's know when the coach is coming from a good place.
It is really more about the sincerity and the motives of the coach. If the coach does not give a s--t about the athlete, beyond winning or losing, there will inevitably be problems.
And don't shoot me for this, but it is even more true with female athlete's in my experience.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 24, 2016 18:15:26 GMT -5
Wooden also benefitted from a level of cheating and corruption which would get a modern coach banned for life from NCAA. Sam Gilbert was as corrupt as they come and Saint Wooden KNEW NOTHING OF the cars, fake jobs, apartments in Bel Air and abortions for players girl friends all paid by this wonderful man
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Post by Wolfgang on Apr 24, 2016 20:51:57 GMT -5
NCAA athlete's have years of playing their respective sports at high level, against good competition. They have usually encountered most types of coaching styles, the athlete's know when the coach is coming from a good place. It is really more about the sincerity and the motives of the coach. If the coach does not give a s--t about the athlete, beyond winning or losing, there will inevitably be problems. And don't shoot me for this, but it is even more true with female athlete's in my experience. What are you saying is "more true with female athletes" -- that they've encountered most types of coaching styles and know when the coach is coming from a good place? Or are you saying that if the coach doesn't give a s--t about the female athlete, it's more true that there will inevitably be problems? You brought up different issues that cloud the "more true" phrase.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 25, 2016 9:37:38 GMT -5
41 years later, you are still so bitter that you can't read an unrelated reference of the man without shouting him down? History repeats itself.
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Post by n00b on Apr 25, 2016 9:44:26 GMT -5
NCAA athlete's have years of playing their respective sports at high level, against good competition. They have usually encountered most types of coaching styles, the athlete's know when the coach is coming from a good place. It is really more about the sincerity and the motives of the coach. If the coach does not give a s--t about the athlete, beyond winning or losing, there will inevitably be problems. And don't shoot me for this, but it is even more true with female athlete's in my experience. What are you saying is "more true with female athletes" -- that they've encountered most types of coaching styles and know when the coach is coming from a good place? Or are you saying that if the coach doesn't give a s--t about the female athlete, it's more true that there will inevitably be problems? You brought up different issues that cloud the "more true" phrase. I'm not certain what Northern Lights was saying, but I think it's definitely true that male athletes are much more okay with coaches who only care about winning (and less about their lives outside of the sport).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 10:06:23 GMT -5
41 years later, you are still so bitter that you can't read an unrelated reference of the man without shouting him down? History repeats itself. This is a factually incorrect statement. History does not have to repeat itself, which is one of the reasons we study history. History can repeat itself. I don't really know the subject of the discussion, but I'll use Tyler Summitt as an example. Here's this son of a legend hired at 23 and does something inappropriate with a player. That does not mean that if LA Tech was to hire another son of a legend at 23 that he would do the same thing. However, any school that hires Tyler Summitt would be subject to his actions repeating themselves.
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