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Post by digs4days on Apr 25, 2016 17:41:17 GMT -5
Will any coach go near this job without asking to completely over haul the players? Realistically the way I see it is you can't get much worse and what coach would want to go there with kids that went this far to get the guy canned? True or not it sure would make me nervous
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Post by silversurfer on Apr 25, 2016 18:12:12 GMT -5
Will any coach go near this job without asking to completely over haul the players? Realistically the way I see it is you can't get much worse and what coach would want to go there with kids that went this far to get the guy canned? True or not it sure would make me nervous I wouldn't be worried about the players "going that far." It's not like there was zero cause. More like;y, I would say it's going to take 1-2 years just to heal / digest / trust and move forward. If you're going to just dump everyone, don't bother taking the job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 18:29:17 GMT -5
Will any coach go near this job without asking to completely over haul the players? Realistically the way I see it is you can't get much worse and what coach would want to go there with kids that went this far to get the guy canned? True or not it sure would make me nervous Dumping a roster in late April probably won't lead to good results in the fall.
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Post by digs4days on Apr 25, 2016 18:36:41 GMT -5
Will any coach go near this job without asking to completely over haul the players? Realistically the way I see it is you can't get much worse and what coach would want to go there with kids that went this far to get the guy canned? True or not it sure would make me nervous I wouldn't be worried about the players "going that far." It's not like there was zero cause. More like;y, I would say it's going to take 1-2 years just to heal / digest / trust and move forward. If you're going to just dump everyone, don't bother taking the job. I am not an expert on the situation and all I know is what I have read and seen but from an outsiders perspecitive it would be nerve racking worrying about what those players could do next. Did ken commit all of the atrocities that were alleged? who knows! But bottom line is if you look on the flip side and see a bunch of disgruntled players teaming up to boot someone they didn't like or agree with it would be a red flag to anyone trying to go take Wake. You can't assume anything but a man "resigned" all based on stories and heresay by his athletes. I just feel this sets a terrible example for our profession that any group of athletes can ban together to get rid of someone they don't like or agree with when there is no concrete evidence. I am not defending anything ken may or may not have done but i am looking at the flip side of the coin and what it could mean for our profession. It creates the ability for athletes to mutiny with no real evidence. Isn't this a problem? With that being said would anyone even want the gig? Or will wake hire a half baked coach and ride this out until it all blows over? Some interesting times ahead for Wake
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Post by n00b on Apr 25, 2016 19:12:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't be worried about the players "going that far." It's not like there was zero cause. More like;y, I would say it's going to take 1-2 years just to heal / digest / trust and move forward. If you're going to just dump everyone, don't bother taking the job. I am not an expert on the situation and all I know is what I have read and seen but from an outsiders perspecitive it would be nerve racking worrying about what those players could do next. Did ken commit all of the atrocities that were alleged? who knows! But bottom line is if you look on the flip side and see a bunch of disgruntled players teaming up to boot someone they didn't like or agree with it would be a red flag to anyone trying to go take Wake. You can't assume anything but a man "resigned" all based on stories and heresay by his athletes. I just feel this sets a terrible example for our profession that any group of athletes can ban together to get rid of someone they don't like or agree with when there is no concrete evidence. I am not defending anything ken may or may not have done but i am looking at the flip side of the coin and what it could mean for our profession. It creates the ability for athletes to mutiny with no real evidence. Isn't this a problem? With that being said would anyone even want the gig? Or will wake hire a half baked coach and ride this out until it all blows over? Some interesting times ahead for Wake For what it's worth, it seems like most outspoken against him is already off the team and the coach on his way out made a point to thank the players that remained on the roster. Seems like the people that were left weren't the ones trying to get him out.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 25, 2016 19:12:14 GMT -5
but i am looking at the flip side of the coin and what it could mean for our profession. It creates the ability for athletes to mutiny with no real evidence. Isn't this a problem? The problem is in todays age if you a true A$$HOLE to players you will bet bounced.
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Post by eldorado on Apr 25, 2016 19:30:18 GMT -5
Will any coach go near this job without asking to completely over haul the players? Realistically the way I see it is you can't get much worse and what coach would want to go there with kids that went this far to get the guy canned? True or not it sure would make me nervous Or the players may appreciate a coach who treats them fairly and may work really hard for him / her. They are likely no different than any other group of young ladies.
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Post by silversurfer on Apr 25, 2016 19:56:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't be worried about the players "going that far." It's not like there was zero cause. More like;y, I would say it's going to take 1-2 years just to heal / digest / trust and move forward. If you're going to just dump everyone, don't bother taking the job. I am not an expert on the situation and all I know is what I have read and seen but from an outsiders perspecitive it would be nerve racking worrying about what those players could do next. Did ken commit all of the atrocities that were alleged? who knows! But bottom line is if you look on the flip side and see a bunch of disgruntled players teaming up to boot someone they didn't like or agree with it would be a red flag to anyone trying to go take Wake. You can't assume anything but a man "resigned" all based on stories and heresay by his athletes. I just feel this sets a terrible example for our profession that any group of athletes can ban together to get rid of someone they don't like or agree with when there is no concrete evidence. I am not defending anything ken may or may not have done but i am looking at the flip side of the coin and what it could mean for our profession. It creates the ability for athletes to mutiny with no real evidence. Isn't this a problem? With that being said would anyone even want the gig? Or will wake hire a half baked coach and ride this out until it all blows over? Some interesting times ahead for Wake Not very objective. New coach should worry about getting better as a team and a program. That's all.
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Post by somethinbruin on Apr 25, 2016 20:04:44 GMT -5
Will any coach go near this job without asking to completely over haul the players? Realistically the way I see it is you can't get much worse and what coach would want to go there with kids that went this far to get the guy canned? True or not it sure would make me nervous Or the players may appreciate a coach who treats them fairly and may work really hard for him / her. They are likely no different than any other group of young ladies. For what it's worth, my (purely anecdotal) experience aligns with what you're saying. I played for an abusive coach for two years. I'd always had tough coaches growing up. I can handle criticism and ranting. This wasn't that. He refused to feed us meals if we lost. He left the bench (and the gym) on more than one occasion because he was unsatisfied with our play (at a tournament that we won). He drove recklessly and wouldn't stop for restroom breaks. And that was all on top of the run-of-the-mill verbal abuse that went beyond constructive coaching. The administration knew all this but did nothing until things got physical and he spent a practice working on our "sensory perception" by randomly throwing volleyballs at our heads while we were running drills. It was only then that the players went to the admin and pushed to get him removed. So I supposed here I am, a coach who as a player led a "revolt" against another coach. To this day I still feel it was justified. Some offenses are actionable and not a reflection on the character of the team that demands a change. The coach they hired to replace him was exacting and demanding. He set high standards. He pushed us. Sometimes he yelled. Oftentimes we deserved it. Even more frequently we got frustrated and mad at him. But we were always respected and, overwhelmingly, we loved him. We worked our asses off for him because we knew he had our backs and that he was pushing us to get better, not to see if/when we would break. He helped me (and my teammates) to love the game again. I'll always be grateful for that and happy that he didn't look at the circumstances of the previous coach's dismissal as a reason not to apply for the job.
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Post by jbhuntin on Apr 25, 2016 21:30:27 GMT -5
If the players actions that caused the quitting was just them being malicious than the next coach has something to worry about, but if the players were justified and had cause, then it was courageous and likely overdue. One or two players complaining might get overlooked by the AD, but the team joining together to cause action is admirable, shows character, and leaves no reason for concern by the next coach. I think if those girls had been my daughters, what would I have wanted them to do?
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 25, 2016 21:39:07 GMT -5
No coaches should be worrying about unwarranted mutiny's. There are good and bad Doctor's, Lawyers. Mechanics etc.. and those professions are not in danger.
Ken has a history of inappropriate behaviour and it caught up to him, as it should.
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Post by eldorado on Apr 25, 2016 23:36:54 GMT -5
Or the players may appreciate a coach who treats them fairly and may work really hard for him / her. They are likely no different than any other group of young ladies. For what it's worth, my (purely anecdotal) experience aligns with what you're saying. I played for an abusive coach for two years. I'd always had tough coaches growing up. I can handle criticism and ranting. This wasn't that. He refused to feed us meals if we lost. He left the bench (and the gym) on more than one occasion because he was unsatisfied with our play (at a tournament that we won). He drove recklessly and wouldn't stop for restroom breaks. And that was all on top of the run-of-the-mill verbal abuse that went beyond constructive coaching. The administration knew all this but did nothing until things got physical and he spent a practice working on our "sensory perception" by randomly throwing volleyballs at our heads while we were running drills. It was only then that the players went to the admin and pushed to get him removed. So I supposed here I am, a coach who as a player led a "revolt" against another coach. To this day I still feel it was justified. Some offenses are actionable and not a reflection on the character of the team that demands a change. The coach they hired to replace him was exacting and demanding. He set high standards. He pushed us. Sometimes he yelled. Oftentimes we deserved it. Even more frequently we got frustrated and mad at him. But we were always respected and, overwhelmingly, we loved him. We worked our asses off for him because we knew he had our backs and that he was pushing us to get better, not to see if/when we would break. He helped me (and my teammates) to love the game again. I'll always be grateful for that and happy that he didn't look at the circumstances of the previous coach's dismissal as a reason not to apply for the job. It means a lot, that's a great story from someone who has lived it. I especially like how the new coach was really demanding but the team was ok with that. I believe the majority of players want to perform and please their coach. I hope things work out well for the current players at WFU.
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Post by reader on Apr 26, 2016 8:21:34 GMT -5
I think the fact that this went on for multiple years and he drew criticism from players after they'd left the program indicates that these were sincere complaints rather than Machiavellian scheming. I'd go in with a clean slate and see what I had before making any huge roster moves.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 26, 2016 15:39:07 GMT -5
Who is the next coach to be dismissed and when will it happen?
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Post by odinaka on Apr 26, 2016 15:41:15 GMT -5
Whoever is the yet to be discovered or exposed creep still coaching a team!
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