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Post by sizzlincatfish on Apr 26, 2016 15:44:24 GMT -5
Who is the next coach to be dismissed and when will it happen? #hottake
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Post by bigfan on Apr 26, 2016 15:47:07 GMT -5
Whoever is the yet to be discovered or exposed creep still coaching a team! In the last month a womens college basketball coach, a womens volleybal coach have been ejected from their lofty perch's. I fear that before the long HOT SUMMER of 2016 is exhausted several more may be joining their brethren in exile. The ACC has a couple of situations that are brewing.
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 26, 2016 16:12:09 GMT -5
A lot of these posts are treating this like a firing. I understand why but it was reported as a resignation and of course it's been a week now and they still haven't posted the position.
I get waiting until after signing day, but if you do, you don't wait long and you better move pretty quick. It's a private school, so perhaps this is less a search and more a hunt (see the post about backing up a truck full of cash to Eve Rackham's house) but I don't recall the last time a volleyball job was hired without being posted. It happens in football and basketball, but never volleyball as far as I know. And if they are going to post this, and just haven't, it would seem to me that they may have been taken by surprise. Given the recent history here, that would be shocking, but I don't know how else to explain it taking so long to post the job.
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 26, 2016 16:44:56 GMT -5
A lot of these posts are treating this like a firing. I understand why but it was reported as a resignation and of course it's been a week now and they still haven't posted the position. I get waiting until after signing day, but if you do, you don't wait long and you better move pretty quick. It's a private school, so perhaps this is less a search and more a hunt (see the post about backing up a truck full of cash to Eve Rackham's house) but I don't recall the last time a volleyball job was hired without being posted. It happens in football and basketball, but never volleyball as far as I know. And if they are going to post this, and just haven't, it would seem to me that they may have been taken by surprise. Given the recent history here, that would be shocking, but I don't know how else to explain it taking so long to post the job. Good questions.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 26, 2016 18:02:58 GMT -5
They are reaching out privately through other means.
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Post by azvb on Apr 26, 2016 18:31:04 GMT -5
A lot of these posts are treating this like a firing. I understand why but it was reported as a resignation and of course it's been a week now and they still haven't posted the position. I get waiting until after signing day, but if you do, you don't wait long and you better move pretty quick. It's a private school, so perhaps this is less a search and more a hunt (see the post about backing up a truck full of cash to Eve Rackham's house) but I don't recall the last time a volleyball job was hired without being posted. It happens in football and basketball, but never volleyball as far as I know. And if they are going to post this, and just haven't, it would seem to me that they may have been taken by surprise. Given the recent history here, that would be shocking, but I don't know how else to explain it taking so long to post the job. Heather Olmstead at BYU. Hired within minutes of her brother taking the men's job.
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Post by gigibear on Apr 26, 2016 19:11:29 GMT -5
Probably not the best analogy to compare women volleyball to football? Football has its own unique culture that is different from most other sports. Why not compare instead to coach Wooden? Hyper competitive, the ultimate winner in college sports, who treated his players with dignity and respect, rarely yelled and didn't swear. Today I would look at coach K. If you think coach K rarely yells and doesn't swear, then you really only know his public image not his actual coaching style. Yelling isn't demeaning. Cursing isn't demeaning. Belittling players, degrading players, attacking players, etc... Is poor coaching and is has very little to do with yelling and swearing. Yelling, 100% ok particularly in a practice or game setting (although the content and context can change that). Swearing I think is a little more contextual, i.e. who are you coaching, what are the cultural norms in that environment, frequency, actual words used, etc... Cursing isn't demeaning..... If you try this behaviour with your wife, your mother or your sister things are not going to go well for you. Constant verbal assault is unnecessary and just tells me somebody has to learn some new words. This is not the Army and most girls do not sign up for this type of behaviour. Must have been some recruiting visit....ala Jekyll and Hyde. Know what happens when it's constant....people tune you out...so the next step, the curse bard gets in your face shouting profanities, so then not only does the receipient tune you out, they shut down, and start plotting revenge, aka "resignation."
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Post by bigfan on Apr 26, 2016 19:25:16 GMT -5
A lot of these posts are treating this like a firing. Can it be anything else?
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Post by Northern lights on Apr 26, 2016 19:28:13 GMT -5
Call it whatever you want, but it is hard to argue he wanted this to happen.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 26, 2016 19:31:27 GMT -5
There must be plenty of cases where the job is not advertised because the replacement has been decided before the announcement that the coach is leaving. USC didn't advertise when Mick Haley took over for Jerritt Elliott. Did you know USC hired a big time a head hunting firm to find their new AD. This firm received over 200 responses for this job. They settled on a man who has never been a AD before or even in worked in a athletic department. Of course the man is in the NFL Hall of Fame, was a superstar player on a national championship winner and happens to be a alumni. The search should have never happened, it was window dressing only. WHAT A SURPRISE.....................they knew who they wanted all along!
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Post by jcvball22 on Apr 26, 2016 19:37:03 GMT -5
A lot of these posts are treating this like a firing. Can it be anything else? On the note that went out to the top donors of the Deacon Club (their big budget boosters) it was described as Ken's decision to resign. Take that whatever way you want.
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Post by d3coach on Apr 26, 2016 21:16:42 GMT -5
If you think coach K rarely yells and doesn't swear, then you really only know his public image not his actual coaching style. Yelling isn't demeaning. Cursing isn't demeaning. Belittling players, degrading players, attacking players, etc... Is poor coaching and is has very little to do with yelling and swearing. Yelling, 100% ok particularly in a practice or game setting (although the content and context can change that). Swearing I think is a little more contextual, i.e. who are you coaching, what are the cultural norms in that environment, frequency, actual words used, etc... Cursing isn't demeaning..... If you try this behaviour with your wife, your mother or your sister things are not going to go well for you. Constant verbal assault is unnecessary and just tells me somebody has to learn some new words. This is not the Army and most girls do not sign up for this type of behaviour. Must have been some recruiting visit....ala Jekyll and Hyde. Know what happens when it's constant....people tune you out...so the next step, the curse bard gets in your face shouting profanities, so then not only does the receipient tune you out, they shut down, and start plotting revenge, aka "resignation." Cursing in and of itself is not demeaning. I will use myself as a good example. My use of "profanity" evolved. First, I never used it. Then I used it too often. Then I used it infrequently. After 11 years I came to the conclusion that never using it was fine, using it too much diminished the impact and I felt unprofessional, but using it purposefully but infrequently allowed me to grab attention very effectively. I was far from a perfect coach, and have my share of weaknesses, but I can never remember being accused of being demeaning. Back to my original point, and what I wrote originally. Cursing is not demeaning, but being demeaning can involve swearing: "We have to get our s*** together right now" is not demeaning. "You are a piece of s***" is demeaning. Cursing is contextual. Who you are coaching matters. Let's go kick some f***ing a$$ out there. - not inappropriate for a college coach. Highly inappropriate for a middle school coach. To give perspective, if I said something like that to my college team, it would actually lighten the mood because it would be unexpected and out of character from what they expect. I'd probably get a bunch of laughs, a lot of smiles, and great energy coming out of the huddle/locker room, etc... Cultural norms are important. Liberty University is probably not going to tolerate their coach using profanity, yet I don't think a random Big 12 coach swearing would cause anyone in the gym to bat an eye, it's a cultural difference. (I will also note that when I played for what it's worth the most profane and vulgar crowd that I played in front of was at a very strict religious school). Frequency is important. If you drop 'f' bombs every other word, then that's serving no real purpose except that's how the coach talks. I would agree that is unprofessional. Environment is important. I would be much more hesitant to swear in an end of the year banquet in front of friends, and families then I would in a practice gym. The banquet may have young children, it's a more eloquent environment, it has a significantly greater chance of being viewed negatively. My point is simply that swearing while maybe unprofessional given the situation, isn't demeaning. Being demeaning may involve cursing, but it's not an inherent by product. I've sworn in front of my mom, wife, and sister but I've never demeaned them in the process.
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Post by eldorado on Apr 26, 2016 23:51:39 GMT -5
Well said, D3
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Post by gobruins on Apr 27, 2016 7:06:37 GMT -5
Whoever is the yet to be discovered or exposed creep still coaching a team! In the last month a womens college basketball coach, a womens volleybal coach have been ejected from their lofty perch's. I fear that before the long HOT SUMMER of 2016 is exhausted several more may be joining their brethren in exile. The ACC has a couple of situations that are brewing. Rumors about the women's basketball coach at Duke.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Apr 27, 2016 7:42:53 GMT -5
Heather Olmstead at BYU. Hired within minutes of her brother taking the men's job. Of course Heather was already the assistant head coach and her brother was the head coach, so not unexpected and undoubtedly a package deal. That is exactly the type of situation I was thinking. There must be plenty of cases where the job is not advertised because the replacement has been decided before the announcement that the coach is leaving. USC didn't advertise when Mick Haley took over for Jerritt Elliott. Of course he was hired two seasons earlier. I wonder if USC had second thoughts by the time it was actually time for Haley to take over? Isn't this how John Cook was brought in at Nebraska? He left Wisconsin to be an assistant for a year under Terry Pettit and when Pettit retired Cook took over?
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