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Post by ay2013 on May 8, 2016 4:42:15 GMT -5
I like Karch. I think he has done a great job. If Karch were to leave/be removed, what coaches out there would do a better job with the US Women's National Team? Frankly, I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team. I see the coach of the US national team as more of a manager of talent than a coach anyway. It's not like the U.S. national team coach is out there recruiting players, teaching players new positions, strategizing/prepping for multiple teams EVERY week for almost half a year, dealing with athletic department bureaucracy, etc. I would gather that being a college coach of a successful collegiate program is actually more challenging and LESS people could do it well than being the coach of the national team.
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Post by ay2013 on May 8, 2016 4:53:14 GMT -5
Thank you. I have said the same thing before. She didn't do it in College and she didn't bring home the gold at her last Olympics and it's quite obvious we are doing great without her. I wish people would just let this go, it's almost hilarious. I guess Tom too huh... Don't mind me I just love stirring things up.. Tom won a NC in 2001 @ Stanford. And the only reason why Hooker didn't win a NC @ Texas in 2009 was because of everyone else. She had 34 kills and hit over 300 in the match. She was by far the best player on the court.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:11:10 GMT -5
Another interesting take on what makes a team. And, again, the offense, like nothing else matters.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:12:03 GMT -5
It also goes to show that just having the best player on the court isn't enough to win championships.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:13:04 GMT -5
I like Karch. I think he has done a great job. If Karch were to leave/be removed, what coaches out there would do a better job with the US Women's National Team? Frankly, I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team. I see the coach of the US national team as more of a manager of talent than a coach anyway. It's not like the U.S. national team coach is out there recruiting players, teaching players new positions, strategizing/prepping for multiple teams EVERY week for almost half a year, dealing with athletic department bureaucracy, etc. I would gather that being a college coach of a successful collegiate program is actually more challenging and LESS people could do it well than being the coach of the national team. Apples and oranges. (And I completely disagree.)
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 14:43:58 GMT -5
I like Karch. I think he has done a great job. If Karch were to leave/be removed, what coaches out there would do a better job with the US Women's National Team? Frankly, I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team. I see the coach of the US national team as more of a manager of talent than a coach anyway. It's not like the U.S. national team coach is out there recruiting players, teaching players new positions, strategizing/prepping for multiple teams EVERY week for almost half a year, dealing with athletic department bureaucracy, etc. I would gather that being a college coach of a successful collegiate program is actually more challenging and LESS people could do it well than being the coach of the national team. But you still haven't answered the question. And every time it has been asked, people have avoided answering. Who would be better? Give a list if you are so convinced many people could do better.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 16:39:33 GMT -5
Frankly, I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team. I see the coach of the US national team as more of a manager of talent than a coach anyway. It's not like the U.S. national team coach is out there recruiting players, teaching players new positions, strategizing/prepping for multiple teams EVERY week for almost half a year, dealing with athletic department bureaucracy, etc. I would gather that being a college coach of a successful collegiate program is actually more challenging and LESS people could do it well than being the coach of the national team. But you still haven't answered the question. And every time it has been asked, people have avoided answering. Who would be better? Give a list if you are so convinced many people could do better. Let's compare apples to apples. I think quite a few people (coaches at a variety of levels), male or female, could have been successful if they were put in the same spot as Karch: given an asst coach position in 2008 with no experience and with an opportunity for mentoring with almost unconditional backing, including a promise of becoming the head coach. Is it really likely that no one but Karch could do a good job under those circumstances? In terms of identifying someone who could do a great job as head coach of the USA national team, obviously some people within the top 10 - 25 D1 coaches (and quite a few more actually) could do well, as would the head coaches of a lot of international pro teams (even if we select out for basic competence in the English language). The problem is that many of them would be taking a pay cut, in which case, your argument gets reduced to who can we get for the amount we are willing to pay? That's what I call the dollar store argument: if you only want to spend a dollar, then there's nothing wrong with limiting yourself to what's available at the dollar store, as long as you are willing to accept that you might be limited to certain restraints. And that's what Karch signifies to me: the tiny bottle of Dawn at the dollar store--a lot of reputation but limited utility.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 16:51:10 GMT -5
But you still haven't answered the question. And every time it has been asked, people have avoided answering. Who would be better? Give a list if you are so convinced many people could do better. Let's compare apples to apples. I think quite a few people (coaches at a variety of levels), male or female, could have been successful if they were put in the same spot as Karch: given an asst coach position in 2008 with no experience and with an opportunity for mentoring with almost unconditional backing, including a promise of becoming the head coach. Is it really likely that no one but Karch could do a good job under those circumstances? In terms of identifying someone who could do a great job as head coach of the USA national team, obviously some people within the top 10 - 25 D1 coaches (and quite a few more actually) could do well, as would the head coaches of a lot of international pro teams (even if we select out for basic competence in the English language). The problem is that many of them would be taking a pay cut, in which case, your argument gets reduced to who can we get for the amount we are willing to pay? That's what I call the dollar store argument: if you only want to spend a dollar, then there's nothing wrong with limiting yourself to what's available at the dollar store, as long as you are willing to accept that you might be limited to certain restraints. And that's what Karch signifies to me: the tiny bottle of Dawn at the dollar store--a lot of reputation but limited utility. Compare anything you want. But, if you presuppose there are better viable options out there, list them and explain why.
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 17:01:43 GMT -5
Let's compare apples to apples. I think quite a few people (coaches at a variety of levels), male or female, could have been successful if they were put in the same spot as Karch: given an asst coach position in 2008 with no experience and with an opportunity for mentoring with almost unconditional backing, including a promise of becoming the head coach. Is it really likely that no one but Karch could do a good job under those circumstances? In terms of identifying someone who could do a great job as head coach of the USA national team, obviously some people within the top 10 - 25 D1 coaches (and quite a few more actually) could do well, as would the head coaches of a lot of international pro teams (even if we select out for basic competence in the English language). The problem is that many of them would be taking a pay cut, in which case, your argument gets reduced to who can we get for the amount we are willing to pay? That's what I call the dollar store argument: if you only want to spend a dollar, then there's nothing wrong with limiting yourself to what's available at the dollar store, as long as you are willing to accept that you might be limited to certain restraints. And that's what Karch signifies to me: the tiny bottle of Dawn at the dollar store--a lot of reputation but limited utility. Compare anything you want. But, if you presuppose there are better viable options out there, list them and explain why. I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:19:57 GMT -5
Compare anything you want. But, if you presuppose there are better viable options out there, list them and explain why. I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics. You claimed "I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team." Then later added some outside things such as salary, etc. which would prohibit some from taking the job. Jcvball22 asked you to list the better viable options, which you said you did, when you in fact did not mention one person. As jcvball22 requested, in terms of who could do just as good a job as Karch or better, please list those names and explain why they would be better. We're speaking here strictly as a coach; disregard salary and other aspects.
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Post by mrad on May 8, 2016 17:31:39 GMT -5
I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics. You claimed "I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team." Then later added some outside things such as salary, etc. which would prohibit some from taking the job. Jcvball22 asked you to list the better viable options, which you said you did, when you in fact did not mention one person. As jcvball22 requested, in terms of who could do just as good a job as Karch or better, please list those names and explain why they would be better. We're speaking here strictly as a coach; disregard salary and other aspects. well, how about Cook and Rose? Did Beal even ask them ? if not, why ? They are both sure much better than Kiraly with tons of experience. I can name others too but lets go with top college coaches first
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 17:32:53 GMT -5
Compare anything you want. But, if you presuppose there are better viable options out there, list them and explain why. I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics. I believe this is a discussion worth having. Who are the people you think are the top options that are not being/were not considered? And why? Clearly USA Volleyball believes Karch is doing a good enough job to extend his contract. But it would be interesting to hear who people think are a better option. All I have gathered from this discussion so far is that people don't like Karch, more for personal reasons than anything related to capability, but not one single realistic other option has been mentioned. Literally, none. So here's your chance. List the people you think would be great coaches at the international level and explain why you think that.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 17:35:06 GMT -5
You claimed "I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team." Then later added some outside things such as salary, etc. which would prohibit some from taking the job. Jcvball22 asked you to list the better viable options, which you said you did, when you in fact did not mention one person. As jcvball22 requested, in terms of who could do just as good a job as Karch or better, please list those names and explain why they would be better. We're speaking here strictly as a coach; disregard salary and other aspects. well, how about Cook and Rose? Did Beal even ask them ? if not, why ? They are both sure much better than Kiraly with tons of experience. I can name others too but lets go with top college coaches first I think Cook would be an interesting option. Has some international experience, has had a hand in training quite a few of the current members. Not sure he would consider it because he has a really cushy spot at Nebraska and hasn't really expressed any interest. I would be interested to see how his coaching style and abilities would translate to the Olympic level. Russ would never even consider it.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on May 8, 2016 17:35:55 GMT -5
You claimed "I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team." Then later added some outside things such as salary, etc. which would prohibit some from taking the job. Jcvball22 asked you to list the better viable options, which you said you did, when you in fact did not mention one person. As jcvball22 requested, in terms of who could do just as good a job as Karch or better, please list those names and explain why they would be better. We're speaking here strictly as a coach; disregard salary and other aspects. well, how about Cook and Rose? Did Beal even ask them ? if not, why ? They are both sure much better than Kiraly with tons of experience. I can name others too but lets go with top college coaches first They've both been asked.
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