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Post by mrad on May 8, 2016 17:36:42 GMT -5
well, how about Cook and Rose? Did Beal even ask them ? if not, why ? They are both sure much better than Kiraly with tons of experience. I can name others too but lets go with top college coaches first I think Cook would be an interesting option. Has some international experience, has had a hand in training quite a few of the current members. Not sure he would consider it because he has a really cushy spot at Nebraska and hasn't really expressed any interest. I would be interested to see how his coaching style and abilities would translate to the Olympic level. Russ would never even consider it. you asked for names, right ? those 2 are better than Kiraly, period.
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 17:40:02 GMT -5
I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics. You claimed "I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team." Then later added some outside things such as salary, etc. which would prohibit some from taking the job. Jcvball22 asked you to list the better viable options, which you said you did, when you in fact did not mention one person. As jcvball22 requested, in terms of who could do just as good a job as Karch or better, please list those names and explain why they would be better. We're speaking here strictly as a coach; disregard salary and other aspects. No, what I said was any one of those coaches could become a viable option/alternative if they expressed an interest (which is tantamount to taking a pay cut, 4 year leave, or retiring). The fact that USAV has no desire to find a better head coach is not the same thing as there not being a better head coach available.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 17:40:59 GMT -5
I think Cook would be an interesting option. Has some international experience, has had a hand in training quite a few of the current members. Not sure he would consider it because he has a really cushy spot at Nebraska and hasn't really expressed any interest. I would be interested to see how his coaching style and abilities would translate to the Olympic level. Russ would never even consider it. you asked for names, right ? those 2 are better than Kiraly, period. Quantify better.
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 17:43:20 GMT -5
I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics. I believe this is a discussion worth having. Who are the people you think are the top options that are not being/were not considered? And why? Clearly USA Volleyball believes Karch is doing a good enough job to extend his contract. But it would be interesting to hear who people think are a better option. All I have gathered from this discussion so far is that people don't like Karch, more for personal reasons than anything related to capability, but not one single realistic other option has been mentioned. Literally, none. So here's your chance. List the people you think would be great coaches at the international level and explain why you think that. I wouldn't rule Rose out entirely. It's not likely that he would be interested, but it could be an impressive swan song for him (of course, he'd have to wait to 2020.) And there are people out there interested, but EVERYONE knows this opportunity was reserved for Karch. It's not beneficial to speculate about or list any of their names.
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Post by mrad on May 8, 2016 17:44:09 GMT -5
you asked for names, right ? those 2 are better than Kiraly, period. Quantify better. experience, won college championships, etc...oh I get it Kiraly was named the greatest player so he is suited to coach an all star team.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:48:58 GMT -5
I've got two "words" for you people: Mick Haley.
This is a very difficult jump you all seem to think is so easy. Not uncomparable to the jump from playing D1 to playing at the next level.
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 17:49:49 GMT -5
I've got two "words" for you people: Mick Haley. This is a very difficult jump you all seem to think is so easy. Not uncomparable to the jump from playing D1 to playing at the next level. Yeah, and as bad as Mick was, we finished 4th.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 17:50:07 GMT -5
I believe this is a discussion worth having. Who are the people you think are the top options that are not being/were not considered? And why? Clearly USA Volleyball believes Karch is doing a good enough job to extend his contract. But it would be interesting to hear who people think are a better option. All I have gathered from this discussion so far is that people don't like Karch, more for personal reasons than anything related to capability, but not one single realistic other option has been mentioned. Literally, none. So here's your chance. List the people you think would be great coaches at the international level and explain why you think that. I wouldn't rule Rose out entirely. It's not likely, but it could be an impressive swan song for him. And there are people out there interested, but EVERYONE knows this opportunity was reserved for Karch. It's not beneficial to speculate about or list any of their names. Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch?
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 17:55:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule Rose out entirely. It's not likely, but it could be an impressive swan song for him. And there are people out there interested, but EVERYONE knows this opportunity was reserved for Karch. It's not beneficial to speculate about or list any of their names. Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch? I know him too, and since he's had players on the Olympic team, he's actually showed an interest in international volleyball in conversations.
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Post by mrad on May 8, 2016 17:56:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule Rose out entirely. It's not likely, but it could be an impressive swan song for him. And there are people out there interested, but EVERYONE knows this opportunity was reserved for Karch. It's not beneficial to speculate about or list any of their names. Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch? Hey, I know coaching the national teams is not a fun job if you have family with small kids. The traveling sucks big time. Hugh quit because he wanted to stay home with his young kids but don't tell me we can't find better candidates.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 17:58:49 GMT -5
Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch? I know him too, and since he's had players on the Olympic team, he's actually showed an interest in international volleyball in conversations. Showing interest in where your former players are and the international game is not interest in coaching the National Team. He has been asked before. The answer was no.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 17:59:27 GMT -5
Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch? Hey, I know coaching the national teams is not a fun job if you have family with small kids. The traveling sucks big time. Hugh quit because he wanted to stay home with his young kids but don't tell me we can't find better candidates. You still have not answered any of the questions I've asked, which tells me you have no clue.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:00:42 GMT -5
I just did. And the only thing that is required to make one of them a viable option is an expression of interest on their part, something that could take place if a truly open search were conducted. There is no interest in looking for anyone else; there is plenty of evidence to suggest that, including the granting of a contract extension in advance of the actual Olympics. I believe this is a discussion worth having. Who are the people you think are the top options that are not being/were not considered? And why? Clearly USA Volleyball believes Karch is doing a good enough job to extend his contract. But it would be interesting to hear who people think are a better option. All I have gathered from this discussion so far is that people don't like Karch, more for personal reasons than anything related to capability, but not one single realistic other option has been mentioned. Literally, none. So here's your chance. List the people you think would be great coaches at the international level and explain why you think that. It seems like you're implying that, if no one can return a list of names to you, Karch is the only legitimate, "realistic" option. Do you believe that?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:01:05 GMT -5
well, how about Cook and Rose? Did Beal even ask them ? if not, why ? They are both sure much better than Kiraly with tons of experience. I can name others too but lets go with top college coaches first They've both been asked. To coach this past quad?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:01:31 GMT -5
I've got two "words" for you people: Mick Haley. This is a very difficult jump you all seem to think is so easy. Not uncomparable to the jump from playing D1 to playing at the next level. Yeah, and as bad as Mick was, we finished 4th. After he brought Toshi in. The program almost imploded prior to that. Mick's a great coach. Don't get me wrong. But it's not the same job. Would he have succeeded if he'd stuck to it? Probably. Anyhow, Karch should be receiving props for doing what he's done, given his coaching experience headed into it. What happens? Certainly not praise. It sure sounds like jealousy from this desk chair.
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