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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 18:01:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule Rose out entirely. It's not likely, but it could be an impressive swan song for him. And there are people out there interested, but EVERYONE knows this opportunity was reserved for Karch. It's not beneficial to speculate about or list any of their names. Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch? He has limited inter-personal skills (have you ever had a conversation with him?) and limited managerial experience. I don't take issue with his right as the head coach to make roster decisions. Every head coach has to have that ability or right--it just doesn't make sense any other way. But that doesn't make any of them immune to criticism of how they were made or communicated, or whether it was the right call. But really, it's all a moot point now and not worth dragging this out.
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Post by mrad on May 8, 2016 18:01:51 GMT -5
I believe this is a discussion worth having. Who are the people you think are the top options that are not being/were not considered? And why? Clearly USA Volleyball believes Karch is doing a good enough job to extend his contract. But it would be interesting to hear who people think are a better option. All I have gathered from this discussion so far is that people don't like Karch, more for personal reasons than anything related to capability, but not one single realistic other option has been mentioned. Literally, none. So here's your chance. List the people you think would be great coaches at the international level and explain why you think that. It seems like you're implying that, if no one can return a list of names to you, Karch is the only legitimate, "realistic" option. Do you believe that? how may did Beal contact? Do you know the list? I don't but I can name a bunch more.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:03:11 GMT -5
How did we jump from "all these coaches are better than Karch" to "these coaches can't coach the NT"?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:03:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule Rose out entirely. It's not likely, but it could be an impressive swan song for him. And there are people out there interested, but EVERYONE knows this opportunity was reserved for Karch. It's not beneficial to speculate about or list any of their names. Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. Quantify "tremendously" and compare that to other quads.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:04:41 GMT -5
I know him too, and since he's had players on the Olympic team, he's actually showed an interest in international volleyball in conversations. Showing interest in where your former players are and the international game is not interest in coaching the National Team. He has been asked before. The answer was no. When was the last time he was asked? Do you know?
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 18:05:00 GMT -5
I believe this is a discussion worth having. Who are the people you think are the top options that are not being/were not considered? And why? Clearly USA Volleyball believes Karch is doing a good enough job to extend his contract. But it would be interesting to hear who people think are a better option. All I have gathered from this discussion so far is that people don't like Karch, more for personal reasons than anything related to capability, but not one single realistic other option has been mentioned. Literally, none. So here's your chance. List the people you think would be great coaches at the international level and explain why you think that. It seems like you're implying that, if no one can return a list of names to you, Karch is the only legitimate, "realistic" option. Do you believe that? Not necessarily. But his familiarity with the program, tutelage under Hugh, and reputation, as well as USA Volleyball's belief in continuity, especially given the relative success of the team, certainly makes him a reasonable choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:06:14 GMT -5
Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. Quantify "tremendously" and compare that to other quads. And here we go with more of the nonsense ...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:06:44 GMT -5
Yeah, and as bad as Mick was, we finished 4th. Anyhow, Karch should be receiving props for doing what he's done. For what, specifically?
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Post by jcvball22 on May 8, 2016 18:10:34 GMT -5
Knowing Russ personally, I would rule it out. Every argument so far has centered around people not liking that Karch was prepped and tabbed for the job. He was the Assistant Coach in the last Quad, learned from Hugh, took over and the team has done tremendously since. he has the experience of having been in the position these athletes are in, so that gives him good perspective, and he has learned the coaching aspect from some of the best in business. I guess I just don't understand all the hate directed at Karch. People don't like his roster choices (which many seem to attribute to his ego, and not that the people who spend every day in the gym and the upper brass all coordinate in those decisions). Outside of personal dislike, what is the argument against Karch? He has limited inter-personal skills (have you ever had a conversation with him?) and limited managerial experience. I don't take issue with his right as the head coach to make roster decisions. Every head coach has to have that ability or right--it just doesn't make sense any other way. But that doesn't make any of them immune to criticism of how they were made or communicated, or whether it was the right call. But really, it's all a moot point now and not worth dragging this out. I have had several conversations with him. I have been in the gym observing on a few occasions (as I have mentioned before, I have spent more time observing the men's side, but have watched the women as well... I truly love the open door policy of the National Teams). He's a very cerebral guy. Conversations are always interesting. He has had seven years of experience with the managerial side now, going on eight going into this Olympics, four learning, and now four leading. Seems to be doing well so far. I just don't get the hatred people keep spewing. There is a big difference between criticism and ridiculousness, which is what the anti-Karch crowd have devolved into.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:13:46 GMT -5
Anyhow, Karch should be receiving props for doing what he's done. For what, specifically? Attachment Deleted
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Post by Cruz'n on May 8, 2016 18:15:16 GMT -5
Not Geno Auriemma, He cut Candace Parker off the womens basketball olympic team, cause of attitude like Hooker. And just like Karch Kiraly, Geno Auriemma Is an egomaniac who got it wrong. This thread is very entertaining, and I'm only on page 3. Karch has elevated women's team. Auriemma has only won eleven NCAA championships, and 4 in a row. Both great coaches, who understand how to get the most out of their team. They also understand the importance of team chemistry and having everyone on the same page, following same program. If an elite player won't buy in to the program or play by the same rules, then she doesn't play for coaches like these.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:16:20 GMT -5
You claimed "I think a good number of coaches could do a solid job with the U.S. national team." Then later added some outside things such as salary, etc. which would prohibit some from taking the job. Jcvball22 asked you to list the better viable options, which you said you did, when you in fact did not mention one person. As jcvball22 requested, in terms of who could do just as good a job as Karch or better, please list those names and explain why they would be better. We're speaking here strictly as a coach; disregard salary and other aspects. No, what I said was any one of those coaches could become a viable option/alternative if they expressed an interest (which is tantamount to taking a pay cut, 4 year leave, or retiring). The fact that USAV has no desire to find a better head coach is not the same thing as there not being a better head coach available. What are you objecting to by saying no when I directly quoted you?
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Post by volleyguy on May 8, 2016 18:18:31 GMT -5
No, what I said was any one of those coaches could become a viable option/alternative if they expressed an interest (which is tantamount to taking a pay cut, 4 year leave, or retiring). The fact that USAV has no desire to find a better head coach is not the same thing as there not being a better head coach available. What are you objecting to by saying no when I directly quoted you? You may have quoted me, but you didn't comprehend what I said. This happens to you.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:21:37 GMT -5
I think Cook would be an interesting option. Has some international experience, has had a hand in training quite a few of the current members. Not sure he would consider it because he has a really cushy spot at Nebraska and hasn't really expressed any interest. I would be interested to see how his coaching style and abilities would translate to the Olympic level. Russ would never even consider it. you asked for names, right ? those 2 are better than Kiraly, period. Head coach of an Olympic team is different than head coach of a top-level DI team. The coaching itself will be largely similar, but the other differences would take some adjustments. But I don't think it's a large enough difference to really impact one's coaching ability (see: Haley, Mick and McCutcheon, Hugh). But it would be interesting to debate whether Mick was better as the NT coach or Texas/USC coach. Same with Hugh and Minnesota (but a little early for that). I don't know if Karch has any interest in coaching college following 2020, but it would be interesting to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:23:33 GMT -5
What are you objecting to by saying no when I directly quoted you? You may have quoted me, but you didn't comprehend what I said. This happens to you. And what is it that I have failed to comprehend?
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