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Post by johnbar on Aug 7, 2016 12:52:02 GMT -5
I'm surprised there is no thread about this, since it came on just before Walross' first match.
In case you didn't see it, China was up 14-11 in the third set. There was a play at the net, with players from both sides touching the net. It was initially ruled the Swiss team's point. China appealed, and on replay, it was ruled their point, match over. The Swiss players kept arguing, but the announcers said there was no recourse. NBC cut away to a Tom Brokaw feature about the Amazon rain forest. Suddenly they cut back to the court. The Swiss had argued enough that they decided to replay the point. The Chinese players had to come back from signing autographs. The Swiss won the point the second time. But it was short-lived; China scored match point on the next play.
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Post by FOBRA on Aug 7, 2016 13:23:40 GMT -5
This was ... pretty confusing. On the BBC feed the announcer said the ruling was illegal challenge, because the net play wasn't the last touch of the rally they couldn't challenge. That didn't make much sense to me, since that's still a net fault and you can't expect a team to stop playing to challenge.
On the NBC cast Marlowe/Wong made it seem like the Swiss argued (correctly) that China touched the net before Forrer netted at the bottom of the net. Doesn't seem like the officials have a full grasp of all the replay nuances. It certainly seems less used than in indoors (where the coaches really max out their chances).
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Post by duckconference on Aug 7, 2016 19:19:14 GMT -5
Since it was 14-11 before the contested point anyway it's not as though the swiss had much of a chance even with the point.
I was watching on the CBC stream, and they basically continued to argue with the refs while they were lined up for the handshake.
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Post by WI FIB on Aug 7, 2016 20:12:30 GMT -5
This was ... pretty confusing. On the BBC feed the announcer said the ruling was illegal challenge, because the net play wasn't the last touch of the rally they couldn't challenge. That didn't make much sense to me, since that's still a net fault and you can't expect a team to stop playing to challenge. Except that's exactly how it's supposed to be done. From the FIVB rule: The Challenge may be requested by either player immedaitely after the occurrence of the suspected fault and will prompt the 1st referee to stop the action when the suspected fault occurs during play. Otherwise, teams have five seconds after the rally is over to challenge exclusively the decisive action that finishes the rally. For the avoidance of doubt: after the rally is over, a suspected fault can only be challenged if it happens during the final action that ends the rally; actions taking place earlier in the rally cannot be challenged after the rally is over. The rally should have gone to the Swiss and the challenge not accepted unless made immediately and play stopped. |
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 7, 2016 20:23:32 GMT -5
China netted first, but China challenged that the Swiss netted. Then the Swiss complained when China won the point because the Swiss did net, but the Chinese netted first.
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Post by WI FIB on Aug 7, 2016 20:59:46 GMT -5
China netted first, but China challenged that the Swiss netted. Then the Swiss complained when China won the point because the Swiss did net, but the Chinese netted first. No. The Swiss complained that since the Chinese didn't issue their challenge at the time of the net, the rally ending kill was all that could be challenged, not the net in the middle of the rally. |
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Post by FOBRA on Aug 7, 2016 21:23:13 GMT -5
From the FIVB rule: The Challenge may be requested by either player immedaitely after the occurrence of the suspected fault and will prompt the 1st referee to stop the action when the suspected fault occurs during play. Otherwise, teams have five seconds after the rally is over to challenge exclusively the decisive action that finishes the rally. For the avoidance of doubt: after the rally is over, a suspected fault can only be challenged if it happens during the final action that ends the rally; actions taking place earlier in the rally cannot be challenged after the rally is over. The rally should have gone to the Swiss and the challenge not accepted unless made immediately and play stopped. OK, so the BBC announcer was correct. I can see them wanting to discourage challenges of inconsequential plays but I'm not sure that rule helps as far as "getting it right," which is ultimately the intent of replay. |
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Post by deacondive on Aug 7, 2016 21:42:05 GMT -5
The issue that I see with the FIVB replay (going back to its early usage indoors) is that they can focus on the wrong thing on the replay.
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 7, 2016 21:42:17 GMT -5
China netted first, but China challenged that the Swiss netted. Then the Swiss complained when China won the point because the Swiss did net, but the Chinese netted first. No. The Swiss complained that since the Chinese didn't issue their challenge at the time of the net, the rally ending kill was all that could be challenged, not the net in the middle of the rally. Oh okay, I didn't know what the complaint was, but it looked to me that China netted first. |
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