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Post by vegasline on Sept 19, 2016 11:51:53 GMT -5
Just wanted to see your thoughts on what new partnerships we may see in 2017.
For instance:
Who does Tri play with? Does Avatar make a move to set up for 2020? Hayden continue? Any surprises? Does Phil commit to 2020? With who? Kerri plays with....
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Post by unrated on Sept 19, 2016 13:35:53 GMT -5
Summer plays with...
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Post by wang pu on Sept 19, 2016 18:02:16 GMT -5
Does she look for a blocker or defender?
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2016 3:38:18 GMT -5
Just wanted to see your thoughts on what new partnerships we may see in 2017. For instance: Who does Tri play with? - Unfortunately based on last week's resuult, may be Hyden again. Hopefully it will be either Ryan, Theo or Phil. My choice would be Trevor but Crabbs dont break up for anyone other than PhilDoes Avatar make a move to set up for 2020? Tri is the only guy out there who could get him there. Id rather see them focus on just being the best team they can now.Hayden continue? I hope so just not with Tri. Maybe mentoring Robbie?Any surprises? Does Phil commit to 2020? With who? Phil can barely commit to make an effort in 5-6 tournaments a year. I think if he had any other high paying option he would probably retire right now. He would be awesome with Tri or Taylor thoughKerri plays with.... If Kerri plays, and April takes time off, which a lot of people seem to be saying she will, then trying to split up Kelly/Sara is her best option. If that doesn't work out, Summer Ross and split blocking maybe?
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Post by gobruins on Sept 20, 2016 6:16:51 GMT -5
She has 3 choices... Winter, spring or fall. I'm here all week. Make sure to tip your waitress!
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Post by keeweekid on Sept 20, 2016 6:47:27 GMT -5
Looks like Tri & Hyden are staying together in 2017. www.fivb.com/en/about/news/hydens-clock-still-ticking-in-toronto?id=64900With also be interesting to see if 1) Gibbs continues on 2) Do Crabbs stay together (guessing so) but would like to see Taylor with better blocker 3) Does Slick get settled with a full time partner Claes/Hughes- thinking with them going through college together, roomies (?)...they might be a little closer than the normal beach pair and therefore harder to split up. Plus, once they get out on AVP, they will be already be considered a Top 2-3 AVP team. With their age, sets up well for them being the top US pair by the time 2020 rolls around.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2016 8:51:15 GMT -5
Looks like Tri & Hyden are staying together in 2017. www.fivb.com/en/about/news/hydens-clock-still-ticking-in-toronto?id=64900With also be interesting to see if 1) Gibbs continues on 2) Do Crabbs stay together (guessing so) but would like to see Taylor with better blocker 3) Does Slick get settled with a full time partner Claes/Hughes- thinking with them going through college together, roomies (?)...they might be a little closer than the normal beach pair and therefore harder to split up. Plus, once they get out on AVP, they will be already be considered a Top 2-3 AVP team. With their age, sets up well for them being the top US pair by the time 2020 rolls around. What a stupid decision. Tri/John not only should split up now, they should have split up a year ago. They played 16 FIVB tournaments this year and with the exception of Toronto, where Phil and Nick did not give a F, they did not beat a single top team in the knock out rounds. In order for them to contend to win anything other than a sparsely attended Open, not only would Tri have to continue improving, his partner would have to get better, which so often happens to volleyball players at age 45.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 20, 2016 9:13:00 GMT -5
Looks like Tri & Hyden are staying together in 2017. www.fivb.com/en/about/news/hydens-clock-still-ticking-in-toronto?id=64900With also be interesting to see if 1) Gibbs continues on 2) Do Crabbs stay together (guessing so) but would like to see Taylor with better blocker 3) Does Slick get settled with a full time partner Claes/Hughes- thinking with them going through college together, roomies (?)...they might be a little closer than the normal beach pair and therefore harder to split up. Plus, once they get out on AVP, they will be already be considered a Top 2-3 AVP team. With their age, sets up well for them being the top US pair by the time 2020 rolls around. What a stupid decision. Tri/John not only should split up now, they should have split up a year ago. They played 16 FIVB tournaments this year and with the exception of Toronto, where Phil and Nick did not give a F, they did not beat a single top team in the knock out rounds. In order for them to contend to win anything other than a sparsely attended Open, not only would Tri have to continue improving, his partner would have to get better, which so often happens to volleyball players at age 45. Maybe they think 2017 will be weak and they will be able to cherry pick some easy $$? But, totally agree. Tri should talk to Phil about making tough decisions. Phil did it 3 times, and probably made the right choice all 3 times. But for that to happen, Tri has to decide (IMO) is his best as a blocker?? Not sure there is a better defender out there than Hyden available. Casey? (seems like a wash with Hyden) Taylor? (not yet) Mayer? (maybe)
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Post by haze on Sept 20, 2016 9:13:46 GMT -5
Have to think the Bourne/Hyden partnership is incentive for Bourne as he's really still trying to learn everything he can. John Hyden has been exceptional at teaching Bourne how to be the best blocker he can and anyone who's seen them train can see how much work Hyden puts into Bourne. He has really taken on the Todd Rodgers role in teaching and Bourne is like a sponge. Have to think Bourne is going to use this next year to focus on who the best partner for Tokyo is for him. Tri is certainly looking at moving forward as a blocker.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2016 9:55:37 GMT -5
Have to think the Bourne/Hyden partnership is incentive for Bourne as he's really still trying to learn everything he can. John Hyden has been exceptional at teaching Bourne how to be the best blocker he can and anyone who's seen them train can see how much work Hyden puts into Bourne. He has really taken on the Todd Rodgers role in teaching and Bourne is like a sponge. Have to think Bourne is going to use this next year to focus on who the best partner for Tokyo is for him. Tri is certainly looking at moving forward as a blocker. I think the older player mentoring younger is an overplayed trope. John and Tri have played three full seasons together, 60 events. If there is something Hyden has to teach that Tri hasn't learned yet then either Tri is a lousy student or John a crummy teacher. Tri is 27. Current crop (Gibb, Hyden etc.) aside, 25-32 are the prime years of a beach volleyball players career. Tri has basically committed to wasting another year of his prime with a player who can't win now, and will continue to deteriorate physically.
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Post by matty11 on Sept 20, 2016 10:28:12 GMT -5
Have to think the Bourne/Hyden partnership is incentive for Bourne as he's really still trying to learn everything he can. John Hyden has been exceptional at teaching Bourne how to be the best blocker he can and anyone who's seen them train can see how much work Hyden puts into Bourne. He has really taken on the Todd Rodgers role in teaching and Bourne is like a sponge. Have to think Bourne is going to use this next year to focus on who the best partner for Tokyo is for him. Tri is certainly looking at moving forward as a blocker. I think the older player mentoring younger is an overplayed trope. John and Tri have played three full seasons together, 60 events. If there is something Hyden has to teach that Tri hasn't learned yet then either Tri is a lousy student or John a crummy teacher. Tri is 27. Current crop (Gibb, Hyden etc.) aside, 25-32 are the prime years of a beach volleyball players career. Tri has basically committed to wasting another year of his prime with a player who can't win now, and will continue to deteriorate physically. There is something to be said about a 43 year old guy who does not get served. Not sure what games you are watching but the man defies logic
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Post by love2vball on Sept 20, 2016 11:07:36 GMT -5
I think the older player mentoring younger is an overplayed trope. John and Tri have played three full seasons together, 60 events. If there is something Hyden has to teach that Tri hasn't learned yet then either Tri is a lousy student or John a crummy teacher. Tri is 27. Current crop (Gibb, Hyden etc.) aside, 25-32 are the prime years of a beach volleyball players career. Tri has basically committed to wasting another year of his prime with a player who can't win now, and will continue to deteriorate physically. There is something to be said about a 43 year old guy who does not get served. Not sure what games you are watching but the man defies logic I've often wondered too about a couple of the posters who seem to have it in for Johnny Hyden. Is it just an age thing with you guys? Obviously Tri has overlooked that part of the equation. If anything, Hyden has slimmed down in the last couple of years and how hard does he really have to play when a team like Nick/Phil serve Tri 36 out of 36 times? There is really no reason for Bourne to have to panic four years from the next olympics and pick up a lesser player is there? If anything Tri is the one who at 6'6" is undersized and can be overmatched by the size and speed of the athletes coming out of most countries but this one. Make no mistake, he is a great blocker for his size but, everyone saw the Chicago phone booth Phil locked him up in. Im sure he will work it all out without anyone elses input.......except for may John Hyden's.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 20, 2016 11:28:14 GMT -5
For the 2017 season, I'm not sure I see any downside to Hyden/Bourne playing together. No Olympic qualifying ramifications, and it makes sense from a purely financial perspective - no, they didn't win in 2016, but they had something like eight Top Five finishes. Not flashy, but steady prize money. I wonder sometimes if people forget that these guys (and girls) have to make a living in a sport where making a living is tough.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 20, 2016 11:38:40 GMT -5
I loved Hyden, when he was a contender. When he played with Sean I think they were the most underrated team in the world. That was back when Todd/Phil were winning everything and Sean/John were the only ones giving them trouble. If he had started at 20, he would be an all time great now.
However when I have seen them this year, John has been getting served and has had a ton of trouble putting the ball away. I saw them play Spain twice, and a couple other matches early in the year. Tri looked like a world beater and John looked old.
Tri had a terrible match against the best defensive team in the world, but was that representative of his play, particularly on the World Tour?
The excessive focus on the Olympics is obnoxious and hurting players. Tri should have made a change last year when it became clear that he and John couldnt make the Olympics and he should be focusing on winning now rather than the Olympics in 4 (I dont think his best chance is with John but if he does then its the right choice)
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 20, 2016 12:46:15 GMT -5
I think the older player mentoring younger is an overplayed trope. John and Tri have played three full seasons together, 60 events. If there is something Hyden has to teach that Tri hasn't learned yet then either Tri is a lousy student or John a crummy teacher. Tri is 27. Current crop (Gibb, Hyden etc.) aside, 25-32 are the prime years of a beach volleyball players career. Tri has basically committed to wasting another year of his prime with a player who can't win now, and will continue to deteriorate physically. There is something to be said about a 43 year old guy who does not get served. Not sure what games you are watching but the man defies logic If I recall, it seemed like this year when I watched FIVB, John was getting the majority of the serves. However, the biggest knock against John was his setting, so there is more than 1 reason you don't get served. I'm all for improving your situation, but like I said before, I don't think there is a better current option right now.
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