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Post by mongoliavolleyball on Feb 14, 2017 1:04:50 GMT -5
Not justifying anything but just throwing out there that Russ Rose married one of his players. She was of course graduated from college when they got married so it may not be completely similar. But he was her coach for 4 years before he became her "former" coach Thank you! Someone said it... I wonder if anyone has asked him or any other big name coach about this? Also this age gap thing is pretty common in many parts of the world INCLUDING western countries... I was surprised to see the power-distance relationship between teacher and students that exist in America when I first came here...
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Post by deepsouthfan on Feb 17, 2017 15:48:11 GMT -5
This is just so wrong in so many levels. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem anything is being done at the moment to put a stop to it.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Feb 22, 2017 14:23:47 GMT -5
Shouldn't this thread be in the "Prude" section?
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Post by azvb on Feb 22, 2017 14:51:13 GMT -5
Not justifying anything but just throwing out there that Russ Rose married one of his players. She was of course graduated from college when they got married so it may not be completely similar. But he was her coach for 4 years before he became her "former" coach Russ Rose is hardly the only "big name" coach to marry a former player. Just off the top of my head, there is John Cook and Jim Moore. I am sure there are plenty more. Terry Liskevich, Mick Haley But I'm sure they remained chaste until graduation 😂😂
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Post by ardatak on Feb 22, 2017 18:48:55 GMT -5
Shouldn't this thread be in the "Prude" section?
Ha ha! Agreed. Unless there's a clear victim in all this it's not even worth wasting time on.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 22, 2017 21:58:26 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 22, 2017 22:04:01 GMT -5
That's one reason I posted here. Over there the Nutler supporters would be out in droves. That guy creeped on my daughter from 14-17's. "I really like her play" would come from those beedy eyes. Get the F outta here predator... I already have seen example in the beach side and it may be more vulnerable in this rapid growth cycle. Raising girls is so difficult. Stuff like this is everywhere. Beach is not just newer, its also a sport where athletes are more vulnerable, lots of 1 to 1 work, bikinis etc. If the coaching associations had any integrity they would vote in rules against it. I am sure there are situations where its innocuous, college coach meets athlete he coached 10 years after and they hit it off, but is there enough value in the 1% of cases that happen that way to make prohibiting it problematic? Why not say to coaches, "Coaching in high school and college is a privilege and the sacrifice you have to make for that is to not sleep with women you once coached." I do't think thats a lot to ask. There are a lot of predators it wouldn't stop, but maybe some would refrain from it. Maybe it's because women, even your own daughter(s), have the right to become involved with anyone they want to become involved with. It was specified that this involves an ex-coach, so it's kind of a reach to claim it as a breech of professional ethics, unless the relationship started earlier and was just kept secret.
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Post by haze on Feb 23, 2017 18:45:38 GMT -5
Raising girls is so difficult. Stuff like this is everywhere. Beach is not just newer, its also a sport where athletes are more vulnerable, lots of 1 to 1 work, bikinis etc. If the coaching associations had any integrity they would vote in rules against it. I am sure there are situations where its innocuous, college coach meets athlete he coached 10 years after and they hit it off, but is there enough value in the 1% of cases that happen that way to make prohibiting it problematic? Why not say to coaches, "Coaching in high school and college is a privilege and the sacrifice you have to make for that is to not sleep with women you once coached." I do't think thats a lot to ask. There are a lot of predators it wouldn't stop, but maybe some would refrain from it. Maybe it's because women, even your own daughter(s), have the right to become involved with anyone they want to become involved with. This, and the age of consent post, makes it infuriating why teachers still get in trouble for sleeping with students in high school. It's 16 years old in some of these states.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 23, 2017 20:42:24 GMT -5
Maybe it's because women, even your own daughter(s), have the right to become involved with anyone they want to become involved with. This, and the age of consent post, makes it infuriating why teachers still get in trouble for sleeping with students in high school. It's 16 years old in some of these states. Ah, but in many cases, there is a specific exception to the consent laws excluding people who are in positions of authority over teens, such as teachers. In my state, the age of consent rises to 18 for teachers, coaches, foster parents, employers, health care providers, etc. (It's technically a different crime if the young person is between 16 and 18 -- "sexual misconduct" rather than "rape of a child".) And of course, the schools or clubs or businesses or whatever can still make it a condition of employment that you not get involved with people in your charge, even if they are over 18.
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Post by n00b on Mar 3, 2017 15:31:37 GMT -5
Interesting question.
Those that are saying that it is totally inappropriate, what exactly is your argument? The imbalance of power issue between coaches and current athletes or between teachers and students makes a lot of sense. However, once the athlete/student is no longer under the leadership of the coach/teacher, who and what are we protecting? If there not a downside to either side saying "NO", then I don't see where the issue is.
Perhaps we worry that saying this is acceptable will open Pandora's box and coach-current athlete relationships will be the next step, but I think that's a very different topic altogether (and one which most state law and college athletic departments prohibit).
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