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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 30, 2017 9:30:09 GMT -5
I don't get why once a match is decided in a tournament, that other pairs continue to play.
in Tennis, they stop the matches once the outcome (first school to get 4 points) is decided during the conference tournaments and regional play
I get why in duals you want to play out all the matches - that makes sense, and even in Tennis they do that - except in tournaments if you are grinding your way thru the loser's bracket, a pair can expend a ton of energy trying to get a point that is meaningless to the outcome
not that it may have made a difference, I was thinking that as LB's top pair played a long 3rd set (that went to someting like 21-19) vs Poly when they had already had won the match 3-1. I realize they are well-conditioned, but still by the time you are playing your 3rd, 4th, etc match over 2 days - conserving energy is more important.
I'm guessing it's a rule that all matches be finished, but I really don't see - in TOURNAMENTS only - why leaving a match or two unfinished is a big deal - I guess a pair could just tank it at that point to get off the court, but that's a little unfair (to both of the pairs playing) to put 'em in that position, but if I was the coach that's exactly what I'd do because it's better for the team
you could have a pair with a match to play immediately afterward, and imagine if they ended up playing a marathon 3rd set just to 'finish' the match
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 30, 2017 9:57:07 GMT -5
You make a good point, but there are many factors. Short answer is the NCAA rules require every match to be played out, but many stop the final once tournament is won.
For the CCSA tournament, pool play, the pair points matter as a tie breaker. Also, the results of top 2 pairs still matter for entry into national pairs event.
But, you still have a valid point. I think the real problem is some tournament formats are ridiculous. Trying to run double elim with many teams in 2 days by squeezing 3 matches within a 5 hour window is the issue.
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Post by n00b on Apr 30, 2017 18:28:19 GMT -5
This was brought up in the Pac-12 telecast. The commentators mentioned that they play them out because they could affect individual records and honors (All-American, etc). I guess it's just up to the teams if that's worth losing the rest.
Also, it can't really be an NCAA rule because in the finals of all these conference tournaments, everybody stops once the dual is clinched.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 30, 2017 18:35:28 GMT -5
just give the team/pair the option not to default and leave the match unfinished, then it won't affect their records (as it shouldn't) - just like in tennis
it seems like such a simple solution
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 30, 2017 18:57:07 GMT -5
This was brought up in the Pac-12 telecast. The commentators mentioned that they play them out because they could affect individual records and honors (All-American, etc). I guess it's just up to the teams if that's worth losing the rest. Also, it can't really be an NCAA rule because in the finals of all these conference tournaments, everybody stops once the dual is clinched. It is really a rule. Perhaps 3 matches in a day (or tourny final) are considered extenuating circumstances. See rules below. 6.3.3.1 All doubles matches should be played to completion, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 6.3.3.2 An unfinished match will be treated as a default by the withdrawing team, unless the decision not to finish is mutually made by both coaches.
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