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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Jun 6, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5
Danielle Cuttino is going to Italy’s top league. But what position? OH, MB, or OPP?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 6, 2018 12:17:15 GMT -5
Danielle Cuttino is going to Italy’s top league. But what position? OH, MB, or OPP? I believe as a pin hitter. She's going to need to beat out Rahimova or Alexa Gray to get playing time due to foreigner restrictions (and passing considerations).
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Post by Reach on Jun 6, 2018 15:04:35 GMT -5
Danielle Cuttino is going to Italy’s top league. But what position? OH, MB, or OPP? I believe as a pin hitter. She's going to need to beat out Rahimova or Alexa Gray to get playing time due to foreigner restrictions (and passing considerations). Hmmm that’ll be tough
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Post by donut on Jun 6, 2018 15:07:46 GMT -5
Like Adams, she'll probably sit most Turkish League games. Larson + KYK + Boskovic will most likely start. An interesting choice for someone pushing hard for a spot on the Rio roster.
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Post by ace35 on Jun 6, 2018 15:17:43 GMT -5
Like Adams, she'll probably sit most Turkish League games. Larson + KYK + Boskovic will most likely start. An interesting choice for someone pushing hard for a spot on the Rio roster. I wouldn't be quite so certain. KYK is on record saying that she finds Turkish season too long and exhausting. I wouldn't be surprised if the trump-card that the people in Eczacibasi used to clinch her signature is their argument that they have competent substitution for her (I don't know how much you have watched Turkey this summer, but Meliha is truly making strides to the next level), and that she would have to play less matches (especially in domestic league) than if she had signed for Fenerbahce. Also, Larson isn't getting any younger, and to (again) let her rest only a handful of matches in a 22-match regular season at 32-coming-on-33 would be sheer folly.
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Post by staticb on Jun 6, 2018 15:49:15 GMT -5
Annie Mitchem to Scandicci next season.
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Post by donut on Jun 6, 2018 15:49:30 GMT -5
Like Adams, she'll probably sit most Turkish League games. Larson + KYK + Boskovic will most likely start. An interesting choice for someone pushing hard for a spot on the Rio roster. I wouldn't be quite so certain. KYK is on record saying that she finds Turkish season too long and exhausting. I wouldn't be surprised if the trump-card that the people in Eczacibasi used to clinch her signature is their argument that they have competent substitution for her (I don't know how much you have watched Turkey this summer, but Meliha is truly making strides to the next level), and that she would have to play less matches (especially in domestic league) than if she had signed for Fenerbahce. Also, Larson isn't getting any younger, and to (again) let her rest only a handful of matches in a 22-match regular season at 32-coming-on-33 would be sheer folly. 1. She won't play against the top Turkish teams. But sure, excited to see her beat up on Ilbank. 2. Meliha is hitting .147 at the VNL... she is only passing excellent 12% of the time and is shanking it 10% of the time. What are you talking about??
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Post by ace35 on Jun 6, 2018 16:23:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't be quite so certain. KYK is on record saying that she finds Turkish season too long and exhausting. I wouldn't be surprised if the trump-card that the people in Eczacibasi used to clinch her signature is their argument that they have competent substitution for her (I don't know how much you have watched Turkey this summer, but Meliha is truly making strides to the next level), and that she would have to play less matches (especially in domestic league) than if she had signed for Fenerbahce. Also, Larson isn't getting any younger, and to (again) let her rest only a handful of matches in a 22-match regular season at 32-coming-on-33 would be sheer folly. 1. She won't play against the top Turkish teams. But sure, excited to see her beat up on Ilbank. 2. Meliha is hitting .147 at the VNL... she is only passing excellent 12% of the time and is shanking it 10% of the time. What are you talking about?? 1.Again, I don't know how closely you followed the transfer season this past month for Turkey, but not only have more than a dozen excellent players left Turkish clubs (with few new coming; besides KYK, Gibbermeyer and Bricio are the only big names to come), but 3 teams from last season have abandoned the league due to bankruptcy (to be replaced by other teams). Turkish league will be very uneven next season. The "top Turkish teams" will probably consist of Vitra itself, VakifBank, Fenerbahce and Galatasaray, which means that in a 22-match regular season, there will be 16 matches against "non-top Turkish teams". 2. a)Percentages aren't everything. If it were, then 7th placed Dominican Republic wouldn't have 2 players in the All-Star team in 2015 World Cup, one more than any of the top 3 teams (China, Serbia and USA) b)I'm sure you know (judging by some of your previous posts) what Meliha was like in the past season, and if you had actually watched her in Turkish NT this summer, instead of simply looking at stats and percentages, you would have seen the improvement.
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Post by donut on Jun 6, 2018 16:28:22 GMT -5
1. She won't play against the top Turkish teams. But sure, excited to see her beat up on Ilbank. 2. Meliha is hitting .147 at the VNL... she is only passing excellent 12% of the time and is shanking it 10% of the time. What are you talking about?? 1.Again, I don't know how closely you followed the transfer season this past month for Turkey, but not only have more than a dozen excellent players left Turkish clubs (with few new coming; besides KYK, Gibbermeyer and Bricio are the only big names to come), but 3 teams from last season have abandoned the league due to bankruptcy (to be replaced by other teams). Turkish league will be very uneven next season. The "top Turkish teams" will probably consist of Vitra itself, VakifBank, Fenerbahce and Galatasaray, which means that in a 22-match regular season, there will be 16 matches against "non-top Turkish teams". 2. a)Percentages aren't everything. If it were, then 7th placed Dominican Republic wouldn't have 2 players in the All-Star team in 2015 World Cup, one more than any of the top 3 teams (China, Serbia and USA) b)I'm sure you know (judging by some of your previous posts) what Meliha was like in the past season, and if you had actually watched her in Turkish NT this summer, instead of simply looking at stats and percentages, you would have seen the improvement. 1. That just strengthens my points -- beating up on poor quality teams isn't going to help Gibby make Rio. I think Adams play regressed this last year in Turkey because of her limited playing time and I don't know why we think Gibby will be any different. 2. Please tell me then, what should I be looking at with regards to Meliha's play, in the VNL matches?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 6, 2018 16:32:23 GMT -5
Gibby has been around the block. She doesn't need a developmental season. She needs to be in her best physical shape, and not playing full time probably helps that, to compete with the other middles for Rio. Staying in Italy, where she'd be playing full time in a long season, plus Champions League, Italian Cup and Supercup, would probably put her in a worse position.
The only better club choice would be to find some way to play with Lloyd to keep that connection crisp but I don't think that's possible with the Brazilian foreigner rules, so she might as well get paid $$$$
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Post by donut on Jun 6, 2018 16:57:17 GMT -5
Gibby has been around the block. She doesn't need a developmental season. She needs to be in her best physical shape, and not playing full time probably helps that, to compete with the other middles for Rio. Staying in Italy, where she'd be playing full time in a long season, plus Champions League, Italian Cup and Supercup, would probably put her in a worse position. The only better club choice would be to find some way to play with Lloyd to keep that connection crisp but I don't think that's possible with the Brazilian foreigner rules, so she might as well get paid $$$$ 1. If she didn't need a developmental season, she would have been making A-Team rosters before this one, which coincidentally, was after a season in Italy. Options are a) she's hit her ceiling and needs to rest before Tokyo (I keep saying Rio, my b) or b) she needs to continue to elevate her game to solidify her spot. If she's hit her ceiling and secured her spot, I'm worried for Tokyo, although I wouldn't be surprised, since Karch seems pretty committed to this group. That second MB spot (should be) very up for grabs right now. 2. Rachel Adams did just what you are suggesting. And she's lost her starting spot now IMO. The only one of our middles who should be "resting" is Foluke -- because her game is good enough.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 6, 2018 17:07:20 GMT -5
Gibby has been around the block. She doesn't need a developmental season. She needs to be in her best physical shape, and not playing full time probably helps that, to compete with the other middles for Rio. Staying in Italy, where she'd be playing full time in a long season, plus Champions League, Italian Cup and Supercup, would probably put her in a worse position. The only better club choice would be to find some way to play with Lloyd to keep that connection crisp but I don't think that's possible with the Brazilian foreigner rules, so she might as well get paid $$$$ 1. If she didn't need a developmental season, she would have been making A-Team rosters before this one, which coincidentally, was after a season in Italy. Options are a) she's hit her ceiling and needs to rest before Tokyo (I keep saying Rio, my b) or b) she needs to continue to elevate her game to solidify her spot. If she's hit her ceiling and secured her spot, I'm worried for Tokyo, although I wouldn't be surprised, since Karch seems pretty committed to this group. That second MB spot (should be) very up for grabs right now. 2. Rachel Adams did just what you are suggesting. And she's lost her starting spot now IMO. The only one of our middles who should be "resting" is Foluke -- because her game is good enough. She wasn't making A-Team rosters before because Harmotto was there, and it's not like she took a giant step forward with Novara this season. It's also not clear she's ahead of Adams at this point, and if she does beat her out it will have more to do with the connection with Lloyd than any development. And it's not like Gibby is taking the year off. She'll play part time in the Turkish League, full time in Champions League, maybe also Club World Champs in the Winter.
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Post by donut on Jun 6, 2018 17:15:42 GMT -5
1. If she didn't need a developmental season, she would have been making A-Team rosters before this one, which coincidentally, was after a season in Italy. Options are a) she's hit her ceiling and needs to rest before Tokyo (I keep saying Rio, my b) or b) she needs to continue to elevate her game to solidify her spot. If she's hit her ceiling and secured her spot, I'm worried for Tokyo, although I wouldn't be surprised, since Karch seems pretty committed to this group. That second MB spot (should be) very up for grabs right now. 2. Rachel Adams did just what you are suggesting. And she's lost her starting spot now IMO. The only one of our middles who should be "resting" is Foluke -- because her game is good enough. She wasn't making A-Team rosters before because Harmotto was there, and it's not like she took a giant step forward with Novara this season. It's also not clear she's ahead of Adams at this point, and if she does beat her out it will have more to do with the connection with Lloyd than any development. And it's not like Gibby is taking the year off. She'll play part time in the Turkish League, full time in Champions League, maybe also Club World Champs in the Winter. I just don't agree with limiting her opportunities to impress. Karch should be paying lots of attention to these next two club seasons, especially for these borderline players. That's all.
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Post by aps987 on Jun 6, 2018 17:21:08 GMT -5
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble. But, I don't think Karch gives a rat's behind about what happens in club season. He cares about what happens in the USA volleyball gym.
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Post by donut on Jun 6, 2018 17:22:24 GMT -5
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble. But, I don't think Karch gives a rat's behind about what happens in club season. He cares about what happens in the USA volleyball gym. I said he should. You aren't bursting anyone's bubbles.
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