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Post by VolleyballMag on Jun 19, 2017 7:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jun 19, 2017 8:16:01 GMT -5
Always good to get info straight from the source, however not much "fact" here.
Maybe someone with more insight, how did Armato play with others while owning the AVP?
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Post by boxarox on Jun 19, 2017 8:46:24 GMT -5
Always good to get info straight from the source, however not much "fact" here. Maybe someone with more insight, how did Armato play with others while owning the AVP? Let's just say, he made the AVP what it is today. As opposed to what it was before he came on the scene. |
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Post by boxarox on Jun 19, 2017 9:17:22 GMT -5
No, that's too nice. He made it what it was, before Mr. Sun's repairs.
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Post by donnyw on Jun 19, 2017 11:02:04 GMT -5
The AVP was thriving under Leonard! It was an actual tour with real prize money. Until he took his ball and went home. Donald Sun bought the tour BUT it appears to be an investment to him. I don't think he is looking to grow the sport. He is looking at the AVP, not beach Volleyball as a whole.
Also...Yes the 1st three stops of the AVP has been successful, but look at how much more successful if you had Kerri Walsh helping sell your product.
It appears to me that the last paragraph of this article is maybe hinting around to the possibilitiy of Walsh returning to the AVP next year. The fans want her there, but maybe not so much her peers.
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Jun 19, 2017 14:00:12 GMT -5
Good interview, but seems more of a "spin" at times. Sure, Armato says he wants to "let bygones be bygones", so to speak, but that wasn't the general sense one got when this all started. Then, it seemed more of a dig against the AVP, throwing down the gauntlet and trying to entice players over with the whole "we won't make you sigh clauses" talk. Didn't really work (at all), so now of course the tune changes to "we want to work with everyone and grow the game together". If a lot of the top teams had actually jumped ship to the NVL, I suspect this interview and its tone would have looked quite a bit different.
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Post by volleyballjim on Jun 19, 2017 14:13:21 GMT -5
So WAS there an alternative for Donald Sun with the exclusivity signings at the midnight hour? Fund a tour with 1/2 the players? What would YOU have done, resurrecting a tour (it was GONE) and trying to build a financial model that funded a tour (No one, from what I've ever gleaned, has done that).
Players? Didn't they reject a $40 million offer for the tour "in the day" and Leonard walked (what would YOU have done had that offer been in front of you?).
Anyway, lost of hypothetical, but If there are so many ways to make money domestically in beach volleyball, how come no one has done it?
Just some thoughts.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jun 19, 2017 14:24:22 GMT -5
No, that's too nice. He made it what it was, before Mr. Sun's repairs. To be fair, it was Nick Lewin who hammered most of the nails into the coffin of the old AVP. |
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Post by donnyw on Jun 19, 2017 15:03:43 GMT -5
Geddy...Do you believe the last paragraph with Leonard saying he wants to see Kerri & the AVP resolve their differences? Isn't he partly what's keeping her away from them?I mean I know she's a big girl and can make her own decisions, but I'm sure she has certain people in her ear giving her advice.
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Post by iowasurfer on Jun 19, 2017 18:09:54 GMT -5
Always good to get info straight from the source, however not much "fact" here. Maybe someone with more insight, how did Armato play with others while owning the AVP? AGREE with you 100%.texted to article WHY TALK WITH DONALD NOW! TIMES A WASTING.NICHE VB'S NOT GETTING BIGGER. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 19, 2017 18:27:03 GMT -5
Armato is playing it both ways. He used the NVL In an attempt to broad-side and sink the AVP. When that failed, he wrote off the NVL and is trying to position himself as a potential partner for the AVP. When playing with snakes, expect to bitten.
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Post by donnyw on Jun 19, 2017 19:41:29 GMT -5
Armato is playing it both ways. He used the NVL In an attempt to broad-side and sink the AVP. When that failed, he wrote off the NVL and is trying to position himself as a potential partner for the AVP. When playing with snakes, expect to bitten. I wouldn't exactly call the the AVP or Donald Sun that dangerous...I know it's the only true domestic USA tour but I wouldn't exactly call it thriving....When Donald gets the AVP tour stops up where they can call it a tour & the prize money up to where athletes, except a few can make a living than the AVP will be thriving. Until then it's just a nice lifestyle. ****Side Note...2017 is the last year for the Seattle stop.... Donald Sun says Cinninati was out this year because they felt it had lost its appeal there. That city was packed every year it was there....I'm not a billionaire either, so who knows... |
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Post by johnbar on Jun 19, 2017 22:15:46 GMT -5
So even though Armato manages KWJ, he hasn't seen the AVP contract because of the NDA. Hmmm.
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Post by donnyw on Jun 19, 2017 22:45:29 GMT -5
So even though Armato manages KWJ, he hasn't seen the AVP contract because of the NDA. Hmmm. Did KWJ ever see the contract? Why would anyone require a NDA anyway? Isn't the purpose of a contract esp. with a group of players is so the players can discuss the contract? From what has been said from other players, not KWJ, that players couldn't even have legal representation in the contract discussions. Sorry if this has been rehashed over on other threads. Kinda coming in late. Just kinda confusing to me. |
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Post by guest2 on Jun 20, 2017 2:20:45 GMT -5
So even though Armato manages KWJ, he hasn't seen the AVP contract because of the NDA. Hmmm. Did KWJ ever see the contract? Why would anyone require a NDA anyway? Isn't the purpose of a contract esp. with a group of players is so the players can discuss the contract? From what has been said from other players, not KWJ, that players couldn't even have legal representation in the contract discussions. Sorry if this has been rehashed over on other threads. Kinda coming in late. Just kinda confusing to me. Kerri said she saw the contract. The purpose of a contract is to establish the party's obligations to each other. I would be amazed if Kerri did not show the contract to Leonard or at least detail whats in it, but Armato is smart enough to know she wasn't allowed to do so and so he says he hasnt seen it. An NDA could have a variety of reasons, it would make it harder for a competitor to beat or match it, it would keep the players from getting good legal advice after seeing the contract themselves, it would protect Sun's bargaining position among other things |
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