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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 24, 2017 13:33:33 GMT -5
This is an interesting discussion and maybe needs a thread of it's own. Some of my coaching mentors have used the "one player acts up, everyone runs". I've asked and it seems that the thinking is that it is effective in getting the behavior to not happen again. Which I think is probably true. However, there could be negative effects on team chemistry and possibly alienating players. Maybe more so with girls than boys? It's interesting but a little off topic in this thread. This one sort of hit on it volleytalk.net/thread/69574/deal-disciplineYes, though a key difference between the discussion in that thread and Mick's disciplinary practice is that with club, often the player's tardiness is outside the player's control because they don't have the ability to drive themselves. If they're late, it could've been because they didn't have their act together, or they could've been sitting there after school, waiting to go, and have mom or dad be running late from work. In college, the players under control of their own comings and goings, so it's easier to hold them responsible.
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Post by spikeforce13 on Jul 24, 2017 14:21:26 GMT -5
Lots of teams do this " one screws up, let's punish everyone" . Doesn't unite teams, it divides them. I agree with this. My college coach took it a step further and made the person who screwed up watch while everyone else did burpees, sprints, pushups, etc. That did not reinforce "we're all in this together" mentality by any means.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 24, 2017 23:39:34 GMT -5
Could the increase in occurrence be due to lack of coping skills? Increase in rigor and expectations? Combo of both? There is certainly some truth about the lack of resilience among today's youths. That they were too well protected growing up and hence lacked the fortitude to deal with challenges in school, work and sports. Ones that cannot tolerate or weather setbacks and challenges in life. But that is not the whole picture. Nor are all (or most) mental illness caused by merely a lack of resilience or coping skills on the part of the sufferers. Some are caused by genetic reasons, parental abuse or neglect, or some particularly traumatic event. I think we should therefore be careful not to lump all mental illness patients into the "inability-to-cope" category. Another thing is that nowadays we are more aware of mental problems and more willing to discuss it and deal with it. Whereas back when I was growing up, you really don't talk about it. It was a subject to avoid. Those with mental issues were marginalized from society and judged with prejudicial eyes. So, before, mental issues were less common perhaps simply because it wasn't openly acknowledged. And those who suffered from it suffered in silence. Today, we are more accepting of it and willing to help those who suffer from it.
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Post by reader on Jul 25, 2017 9:00:22 GMT -5
Could the increase in occurrence be due to lack of coping skills? Increase in rigor and expectations? Combo of both? Then there's the increase in rigor and expectations for college students across the board, and student athletes in particular. These kids are used to being high performers, always working hard towards the next challenge, embracing the grind, and never showing weakness. This is kind of a huge point. Go back ten or twenty years and there were the same type of kids, but far fewer of them. In 2001, before 9-11, The Atlantic wrote a big piece called The Organization Kid (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/the-organization-kid/302164/) that went deep into the roots of the prototypical Princeton students of the day. There have been some changes over the years, but the striking thing to me was how this group the author described as "an important subset of this generation: the meritocratic elite" was everywhere these days. Coming from public high schools, going to state colleges and still grinding far harder than anyone I met at my private high school in the 80s. There are more traveling and club sports teams, there is more grade pressure and, as a perverse multiplier, waaay more awareness of how well everyone else is doing. It sounds awful, but I can't imagine living the life my kids are facing.
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Post by bayarea on Jul 25, 2017 11:40:28 GMT -5
At the end of Garrick's talk, the statistics she presented from her own research on 100 D1 volleyball players were very sobering. The self-reported incidence of depression/anxiety/eating disorders among volleyball players, especially. I would hope that all coaching staffs could at least have that on their radars and try to figure out how they can accomplish their goals while minimizing this kind of side effects of the student-athlete lifestyle. (In addition to very high self-reported depression and anxiety, almost 20% of respondents indicated they thought they had an eating disorder! Having seen someone who developed an eating disorder as a college athlete 30 years ago and never recovered, I know that all of these issues aren't magically going to disappear after these girls stop playing college volleyball.)
Garrick is not only brave for tackling this subject; she is an exceptionally good speaker. I noticed she is a journalism major, and would think she could have a nice career in sports broadcasting.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 25, 2017 12:15:20 GMT -5
At the end of Garrick's talk, the statistics she presented from her own research on 100 D1 volleyball players were very sobering. The self-reported incidence of depression/anxiety/eating disorders among volleyball players, especially. I would hope that all coaching staffs could at least have that on their radars and try to figure out how they can accomplish their goals while minimizing this kind of side effects of the student-athlete lifestyle. (In addition to very high self-reported depression and anxiety, almost 20% of respondents indicated they thought they had an eating disorder! Yes. Even scarier is the number of people who feel like they can't say anything about their issues.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 25, 2017 15:31:27 GMT -5
What needs to be included here in the conversation is the direct link between concussions and mental health. Depression, anxiety, insomnia, PTSD, and ADHD symptoms and other neuro and brain chemistry issues can be the direct result of a concussion, a brain injury. And the brain and its symptoms can be worsened when ignored or mishandled. This issue of student athlete mental health is serious business. NCAA student athletes who suffer through mental health issues, whatever the causes may be, must not be stigmatized or diminished by the programs they serve. Instead student athletes need to be the priority and well cared for within the NCAA system. Absolutely. Not for nothing, but it was revealed today that CTE was found in 110 of the 111 brains donated by deceased NFL players - that's over 99%. www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.htmlAll the research points to minor head injuries adding up over time. You don't have to black out. Bonk your head on the floor? Get six-packed? Run into a teammate? See stars for a minute? Congrats, you probably have a small concussion. But most players are conditioned, if not encouraged, to shake it off and keep playing. This is all tied together.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 25, 2017 16:44:07 GMT -5
Absolutely. Not for nothing, but it was revealed today that CTE was found in 110 of the 111 brains donated by deceased NFL players - that's over 99%. www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.htmlAll the research points to minor head injuries adding up over time. You don't have to black out. Bonk your head on the floor? Get six-packed? Run into a teammate? See stars for a minute? Congrats, you probably have a small concussion. But most players are conditioned, if not encouraged, to shake it off and keep playing. This is all tied together. Also 48 of 53 college players and 3 of 14 high school players. What I haven't seen is any kind of baseline. Has anybody seen numbers from other males of similar age that did not play football for comparison? It's true that the folks who donated their brains to the program did so in large part because they were experiencing symptoms. So the NFL numbers are expectedly high. I don't know about a baseline. More study is needed. But it's clear that this is a bigger issue than we thought.
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