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Post by sunger4222 on Jul 20, 2017 7:04:46 GMT -5
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Post by vbman100 on Jul 20, 2017 9:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by Inside a Chinese Dragon on Jul 20, 2017 13:59:44 GMT -5
Wow. Thank you for sharing this. This hits home...
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Post by montechello on Jul 20, 2017 18:48:04 GMT -5
That's crazy talk.  |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 20, 2017 23:13:38 GMT -5
Sad to say this, but even in our supposedly enlightened times, mental illness still carries a big stigma in our society. There is less overt discrimination and prejudice against people with mental issues now, but the stigma is still there. And they often carry this silent burden on themselves for fear of being exposed and castigated. What they need to do is reach out to support groups and people who understands their situation. To know they are not alone in dealing with these problems.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 21, 2017 21:11:09 GMT -5
So, apparently if any player is late for practice, even if only by a minute, the whole team has to run wind sprints at 6:00 AM. Does Mick know he's been "outed"?
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Post by vbgirls2 on Jul 21, 2017 22:12:35 GMT -5
Lots of teams do this " one screws up, let's punish everyone" . Doesn't unite teams, it divides them.
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Post by cw on Jul 23, 2017 16:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by vbgirls2 on Jul 23, 2017 22:53:25 GMT -5
John Wooden had it right!!'
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 23, 2017 23:13:30 GMT -5
Punishment...man, that brought back memories...things are so easy now, back in my days, no one cared about touchy-feely sensitivities, you turned up on time or...well...ha.
Who knew what kind of damage those old school methods inflicted on players mentally. But I know some who developed anxiety, depression and even one who developed suicidal thoughts. Back then, it wasn't so accepted to discuss your mental issues openly, especially for us guys where it was not tolerated culturally to discuss your personal "feelings". So they just confided in each other on the team and just grin and bear it. But the psychological toll and scars they suffered, those can last a lifetime. The aftermath and consequences sometimes don't reveal themselves until after their playing days.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 24, 2017 0:05:17 GMT -5
Punishment...man, that brought back memories...things are so easy now, back in my days, no one cared about touchy-feely sensitivities, you turned up on time or...well...ha.  |
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Post by mplssetter on Jul 24, 2017 0:11:41 GMT -5
Lots of teams do this " one screws up, let's punish everyone" . Doesn't unite teams, it divides them. I can't stand coaches that do that. Contrast that attitude with John Wooden. If a player was going to be late at all, they were not allowed to dress. They had to go before him in street clothes and present their excuse. If he didn't accept it, they were dismissed for the day and not allowed to practice. He often said "Practice is a privilege". Players were rarely late because they knew the consequences, but if they were late it was the player not the team that suffered, and they suffered from lack of practice, not some draconian physical torture. This is an interesting discussion and maybe needs a thread of it's own. Some of my coaching mentors have used the "one player acts up, everyone runs". I've asked and it seems that the thinking is that it is effective in getting the behavior to not happen again. Which I think is probably true. However, there could be negative effects on team chemistry and possibly alienating players. Maybe more so with girls than boys? It's interesting but a little off topic in this thread. |
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Post by vballgrl on Jul 24, 2017 12:39:46 GMT -5
Could the increase in occurrence be due to lack of coping skills? Increase in rigor and expectations? Combo of both?
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jul 24, 2017 13:11:52 GMT -5
Could the increase in occurrence be due to lack of coping skills? Increase in rigor and expectations? Combo of both? I vote for both. There's a large, documented increase in mental health issues across all college-aged kids across the board, not just athletes. "Today's youth" aren't taught how to work through hard times anymore. The current culture of helicopter parenting focuses on preventing children from being unhappy, ever, and rescuing them rather than teaching them to rescue themselves. Social media probably increases isolation, as people can present whatever life they want and not talk about how they are really doing. Garrick discusses this. She realizes the care she takes curating her own Instagram, but probably doesn't realize that many others are doing the same thing. Then there's the increase in rigor and expectations for college students across the board, and student athletes in particular. These kids are used to being high performers, always working hard towards the next challenge, embracing the grind, and never showing weakness. I agree with Garrick that we need to pay a lot more attention to this. I admire her for speaking out. |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jul 24, 2017 13:18:35 GMT -5
This is an interesting discussion and maybe needs a thread of it's own. Some of my coaching mentors have used the "one player acts up, everyone runs". I've asked and it seems that the thinking is that it is effective in getting the behavior to not happen again. Which I think is probably true. However, there could be negative effects on team chemistry and possibly alienating players. Maybe more so with girls than boys? It's interesting but a little off topic in this thread. This one sort of hit on it volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/69574/deal-discipline |
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