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Post by trainermch on Sept 19, 2017 11:19:11 GMT -5
I think most would agree with this and with the new P5 4 yr guarantees it puts even more pressure on this situation. However, most poster angst in this case is over the delayed timeline in this decision process. Why the 10 month delay? Who knows...maybe there is a very legit reason that both sides were aware of.
I agree. The ten month delay is not a good look and is curious since as I understand, two other recruits decommitted almost immediately after Black took the job. Does make me think that there is the possibility of additional factors involved than just a new coach situation. I always have to consider that coaches can't comment on recruits prior to signing an LOI, so any public statements are strictly from the recruit's side of the process.
*were released
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Post by Fight On! on Sept 19, 2017 11:27:55 GMT -5
We have heard some names, like Missouri, Creighton, etc. Where else is likely to have a large need for an solid OH next year? Arkansas loses Victoria Baylor loses Staiger
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 19, 2017 11:43:21 GMT -5
I agree. The ten month delay is not a good look and is curious since as I understand, two other recruits decommitted almost immediately after Black took the job. Does make me think that there is the possibility of additional factors involved than just a new coach situation. I always have to consider that coaches can't comment on recruits prior to signing an LOI, so any public statements are strictly from the recruit's side of the process.
*were released Were these 2017 recruits? If they were 2018 recruits, technically they wouldn't have signed anything where they could be "released".
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 19, 2017 11:45:47 GMT -5
Fairly sure that Jason doesn't have a scholarship available for 2018 at this point. There are 4/5 pin hitters on the current roster besides Pilar, and they have two pin commits. I would love for her to end up at Arkansas, but I'm not sure there's a clear path for that to happen. (ETA - I have absolutely no inside information; just looking at Arkansas's roster. There could be several scenarios where things are not what they seem, I suppose. My comment is based on looking only at numbers/commits.)
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 19, 2017 11:46:44 GMT -5
Were these 2017 recruits? If they were 2018 recruits, technically they wouldn't have signed anything where they could be "released". You're playing word games. The program cut ties with them, not the other way around.
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Post by jrobinson1906 on Sept 19, 2017 11:51:16 GMT -5
WoW...I want to be surprised but I really can't be (after all, it is Tom Black). I do hope she finds her right fit. Praying she didn't burn too many bridges on her road to choosing UGA.
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Post by mastermind on Sept 19, 2017 12:10:45 GMT -5
WoW...I want to be surprised but I really can't be (after all, it is Tom Black). I do hope she finds her right fit. Praying she didn't burn too many bridges on her road to choosing UGA. How does a player burn bridges during the recruiting process?
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Post by jrobinson1906 on Sept 19, 2017 12:14:15 GMT -5
WoW...I want to be surprised but I really can't be (after all, it is Tom Black). I do hope she finds her right fit. Praying she didn't burn too many bridges on her road to choosing UGA. How does a player burn bridges during the recruiting process? Leading a potential school into believing they are in the forefront and then choosing another school ad hoc. Not letting a potential school know that you've chosen another school. Bad mouthing a potential school (on social media or verbally) after choosing otherwise.
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Post by trainermch on Sept 19, 2017 12:16:57 GMT -5
Were these 2017 recruits? If they were 2018 recruits, technically they wouldn't have signed anything where they could be "released". Should have said, 'offers were rescinded.'
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Post by stevehorn on Sept 19, 2017 12:59:41 GMT -5
Were these 2017 recruits? If they were 2018 recruits, technically they wouldn't have signed anything where they could be "released". You're playing word games. The program cut ties with them, not the other way around. Word games wasn't my intent. "Released" made me think I might have been wrong about assuming they were 2018 recruits so the question was for clarification. Nothing more. I had assumed from the comments that the program was the driving force in the parting of ways with the recruits.
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Post by trainermch on Sept 19, 2017 13:00:39 GMT -5
You're playing word games. The program cut ties with them, not the other way around. Word games wasn't my intent. "Released" made me think I might have been wrong about assuming they were 2018 recruits so the question was for clarification. Nothing more. I had assumed from the comments that the program was the driving force in the parting of ways with the recruits. Oh yes, I assumed that. But the two are very different. Was glad to clarify.
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Post by uncommitted on Sept 19, 2017 17:32:46 GMT -5
The exact same thing happened with a player from our club years ago when Lizzy Stemke was hired at Georgia. It was very hard on the player at the time, but, in the long run, I think she ended up in a better situation. She went to a mid-major and had a great career. The new team won a lot and she was a good part of their success. As others have said, there will be schools that have a need and she will be an attractive option for them. I am sure that doesn't make her feel better now but, hopefully soon, this will be in the rear view mirror. Sounds like she is from the southwest, but would love to see her work with a great coach and help their programs improve like Creighton, Pitt, Notre Dame, Lipscomb.
I agree with this viewpoint. If the new coach doesn't think you are a very good fit for his team, then it is probably better to cut ties now rather than a year or two after being in the program.
I would expect this to become more common in volleyball as very early recruiting becomes more common. A new coach may not be able to do much about his initial class when he takes over because some of the commits may have already signed their LOI. However I think it is somewhat naïve to expect a coach to just stay with the fired coach's recruits in the second class (2018 in this case).
Yes but (1) she actually waited til fall of junior year to commit (shortly before coaching change) so not a crazy early commit and (2) certainly everyone expects changes with a coaching change but also expects them to be communicated in a timely fashion. Last spring she helped her team win not one but two 17-open qualifiers and place 5th at GJNC....if he didn't see her fitting in the program after those performances he should have said something then. Or after camp . Or before last weekend in vegas at DFC where she made all-tournament team. The timing is simply deplorable and frankly seems like the coach wanted to eliminate all other options.
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Post by sultanofswat on Sept 21, 2017 12:36:46 GMT -5
I am also puzzled by the delayed timeline. Maybe there is reason we don't know. But if the decision was made earlier this year during the club season, this player may have more options and also have more time to visit schools during the summer. Now college coaches are mostly focus on their own teams. But if a player is a stud, there is always a place for her no matter how late the process! This isn't in direct response to you, but I guess to everyone asking the similar question. Just to play devil's advocate, perhaps TB wanted to see how his current group of younger outsides would do when they're playing in meaningful matches. I believe it can be hard to tell exactly what you have on the roster from what you see in spring. Players are different in spring than they are in the fall. Without knowing the whole story, if the communication was "I want to see what this roster looks like in the fall", then I'd say that's reasonable. If this was the case but wasn't' communicated, then there's an issue there. It would make sense on a "build your team" level to wait and see, but if not communicated, then one could raise a "professionalism" argument. All that being said, VT is known for the anonymous sources that "know what really happened" but really don't, so I take everything- good and bad- with a grain of salt. It just seems that this board is so quick to try to tear coaches down and that's a shame. A lot of times with misinformation. General statement, not just about Tom Black. I have no horse in the race on this.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 21, 2017 12:41:17 GMT -5
I am also puzzled by the delayed timeline. Maybe there is reason we don't know. But if the decision was made earlier this year during the club season, this player may have more options and also have more time to visit schools during the summer. Now college coaches are mostly focus on their own teams. But if a player is a stud, there is always a place for her no matter how late the process! This isn't in direct response to you, but I guess to everyone asking the similar question. Just to play devil's advocate, perhaps TB wanted to see how his current group of younger outsides would do when they're playing in meaningful matches. I believe it can be hard to tell exactly what you have on the roster from what you see in spring. Players are different in spring than they are in the fall. Without knowing the whole story, if the communication was "I want to see what this roster looks like in the fall", then I'd say that's reasonable. If this was the case but wasn't' communicated, then there's an issue there. It would make sense on a "build your team" level to wait and see, but if not communicated, then one could raise a "professionalism" argument. All that being said, VT is known for the anonymous sources that "know what really happened" but really don't, so I take everything- good and bad- with a grain of salt. It just seems that this board is so quick to try to tear coaches down and that's a shame. A lot of times with misinformation. General statement, not just about Tom Black. I have no horse in the race on this. "I want to see what this roster looks like in the Fall" is NOT fair to the student-athlete. Come on, people.
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Post by trainermch on Sept 21, 2017 12:44:09 GMT -5
This isn't in direct response to you, but I guess to everyone asking the similar question. Just to play devil's advocate, perhaps TB wanted to see how his current group of younger outsides would do when they're playing in meaningful matches. I believe it can be hard to tell exactly what you have on the roster from what you see in spring. Players are different in spring than they are in the fall. Without knowing the whole story, if the communication was "I want to see what this roster looks like in the fall", then I'd say that's reasonable. If this was the case but wasn't' communicated, then there's an issue there. It would make sense on a "build your team" level to wait and see, but if not communicated, then one could raise a "professionalism" argument. All that being said, VT is known for the anonymous sources that "know what really happened" but really don't, so I take everything- good and bad- with a grain of salt. It just seems that this board is so quick to try to tear coaches down and that's a shame. A lot of times with misinformation. General statement, not just about Tom Black. I have no horse in the race on this. "I want to see what this roster looks like in the Fall" is NOT fair to the student-athlete. Come on, people. ...and to do it a week before her scheduled, I am sure much anticipated, "official." S. M. H.
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