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Post by bvbfan88 on Sept 30, 2017 8:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by haze on Sept 30, 2017 11:28:43 GMT -5
I don't like the rule but will be more curious of the opinions of the players.
Kind of a related/unrelated question; I was watching a match, and this guy gets set, goes up, crushes the ball, gets blocked, the ball comes flying back even harder, hits him in the face when he was in the middle of his swing a foot or so above the net, flies straight up, and the guy comes down and plays it to his partner who puts the ball away. These were AVP qualifier players playing in a crossover of a pretty high level tournament not AVP. How is that not 2 contacts? The blocker was arguing he can't play it off his face, and the guy who got blocked said because his head was above the net it was considered a block so he could play it. The dude that got blocked and played the ball off his face ended up winning the point from the refs. Can anyone shed light on this specific play?
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Post by love2vball on Sept 30, 2017 11:53:27 GMT -5
Actually, when I first started playing the game, I wondered why the rule was different for indoors and the beach. It just didnt make sense to me at that time. It's certainly easier to cover a touch off the block indoors most times given the number of people on the court. So why with only two players were touches counted on the beach and not indoors? I always thought it seemed more logical to reverse that rule. After adjusting to it, I havent thought about it for years. Guess I'll just wait and see like everyone else.
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Post by chicory on Sept 30, 2017 13:20:43 GMT -5
You could also argue that he only made one play on the ball.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 30, 2017 16:52:01 GMT -5
I don't like the rule but will be more curious of the opinions of the players. Kind of a related/unrelated question; I was watching a match, and this guy gets set, goes up, crushes the ball, gets blocked, the ball comes flying back even harder, hits him in the face when he was in the middle of his swing a foot or so above the net, flies straight up, and the guy comes down and plays it to his partner who puts the ball away. These were AVP qualifier players playing in a crossover of a pretty high level tournament not AVP. How is that not 2 contacts? The blocker was arguing he can't play it off his face, and the guy who got blocked said because his head was above the net it was considered a block so he could play it. The dude that got blocked and played the ball off his face ended up winning the point from the refs. Can anyone shed light on this specific play? I think that was just a missed call. In order to be blocking there has to be an "attack hit," defined by the FIVB as "all actions which direct the ball towards the opponent, with the exception of service and block" (so bumping the ball over for example) In the scenario you outline, the ref seems to have concluded the player was blocking because part of him was over the net, but consider if he had played the ball with is foot, rather than his face, and it makes more sense. To be a block there should be an intentional act |
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Post by guest2 on Sept 30, 2017 16:52:47 GMT -5
Oh and the new block touch rule stinks. Just one more way to make the game easier for big plodders and one more advantage gone for little guys
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Post by haze on Oct 1, 2017 21:38:45 GMT -5
I don't like the rule but will be more curious of the opinions of the players. Kind of a related/unrelated question; I was watching a match, and this guy gets set, goes up, crushes the ball, gets blocked, the ball comes flying back even harder, hits him in the face when he was in the middle of his swing a foot or so above the net, flies straight up, and the guy comes down and plays it to his partner who puts the ball away. These were AVP qualifier players playing in a crossover of a pretty high level tournament not AVP. How is that not 2 contacts? The blocker was arguing he can't play it off his face, and the guy who got blocked said because his head was above the net it was considered a block so he could play it. The dude that got blocked and played the ball off his face ended up winning the point from the refs. Can anyone shed light on this specific play? I think that was just a missed call. In order to be blocking there has to be an "attack hit," defined by the FIVB as "all actions which direct the ball towards the opponent, with the exception of service and block" (so bumping the ball over for example) In the scenario you outline, the ref seems to have concluded the player was blocking because part of him was over the net, but consider if he had played the ball with is foot, rather than his face, and it makes more sense. To be a block there should be an intentional act Yea I think it was a missed call too. It happened so fast before anyone realized what had happened the play was over. There was a lot of people watching and not much outcry so I thought I missed something. |
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Post by swift on Oct 2, 2017 4:25:17 GMT -5
Oh and the new block touch rule stinks. Just one more way to make the game easier for big plodders and one more advantage gone for little guys why do you think it helps big guys? In my opinion the new rule would actually help smaller players. So far it has been very difficult for two small players to counter-attack after a block touch because small players need a good approach and a decent set to put the ball away. Two things you most likely won't get after a block touch. With a big blocker all you have to do is get the dig anywhere near the net and he will crush it (even from a standing vertical jump). Just take Phil and Nick for an example. So at the moment the rule actually is in favor of teams with a big guy at the net imo. I don't think the rule necessarily needs to be changed but like love2vball said, it would have made more sense to count the block as touch in indoor volleyball and not count it on the beach. Changing the rule would at least make it easier for the refs because the micro block touches wouldn't matter anymore |
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Post by guest2 on Oct 2, 2017 6:02:18 GMT -5
Oh and the new block touch rule stinks. Just one more way to make the game easier for big plodders and one more advantage gone for little guys why do you think it helps big guys? In my opinion the new rule would actually help smaller players. So far it has been very difficult for two small players to counter-attack after a block touch because small players need a good approach and a decent set to put the ball away. Two things you most likely won't get after a block touch. With a big blocker all you have to do is get the dig anywhere near the net and he will crush it (even from a standing vertical jump). Just take Phil and Nick for an example. So at the moment the rule actually is in favor of teams with a big guy at the net imo. I don't think the rule necessarily needs to be changed but like love2vball said, it would have made more sense to count the block as touch in indoor volleyball and not count it on the beach. Changing the rule would at least make it easier for the refs because the micro block touches wouldn't matter anymore To me the old rule rewarded the defenders who could control difficult balls and get them to their partner in a hittable position to go on two. Also blockers who were quick enough and had good range to hit a variety of balls effectively (A Nick as opposed to a Casey and a Tri as opposed to a Ryan) I think the new three touch rule helps bigger defenders who would get a spinning block touch up, but wouldnt have the skill to set their partner on two. Could end up the other way also, but why change it? |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Oct 2, 2017 6:23:11 GMT -5
why do you think it helps big guys? In my opinion the new rule would actually help smaller players. So far it has been very difficult for two small players to counter-attack after a block touch because small players need a good approach and a decent set to put the ball away. Two things you most likely won't get after a block touch. With a big blocker all you have to do is get the dig anywhere near the net and he will crush it (even from a standing vertical jump). Just take Phil and Nick for an example. So at the moment the rule actually is in favor of teams with a big guy at the net imo. I don't think the rule necessarily needs to be changed but like love2vball said, it would have made more sense to count the block as touch in indoor volleyball and not count it on the beach. Changing the rule would at least make it easier for the refs because the micro block touches wouldn't matter anymore To me the old rule rewarded the defenders who could control difficult balls and get them to their partner in a hittable position to go on two. Also blockers who were quick enough and had good range to hit a variety of balls effectively (A Nick as opposed to a Casey and a Tri as opposed to a Ryan) I think the new three touch rule helps bigger defenders who would get a spinning block touch up, but wouldnt have the skill to set their partner on two. Could end up the other way also, but why change it? I don't see some teams "planning" on using it. I'd rather have Phil (when possible) hitting, than Nick on 3. I don't like it either, the block as a contact is one of the best difference from indoor. |
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Post by volleyballjim on Oct 2, 2017 13:48:42 GMT -5
IMO, the setup after the touch is one of the more fun plays to watch as the offense now has to scramble and put their best play up quickly and the defense must adjust too...why would you get rid of that ? Yeah, "let's give Phil more chances"? Everything is a solution to a problem, this rule change makes that "problem" hard to discern . . . :-(
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Post by soflobvb on Oct 3, 2017 9:43:05 GMT -5
Don't like the new rule. I like watching a defender make crazy sets off deflected attacks. Phil cleaning up a play starting with a block touch is something to watch.
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Post by acemand23 on Oct 3, 2017 10:14:09 GMT -5
IMO, the new rule gives a better chance for an in-system attack, giving the better teams the advantage. Scramble plays are fun to watch, but from an attacker's stand point, I would much rather be able to attack the ball in a controlled in-system play. Hopefully, it would bring a little more control game back to the fans, which then they could appreciate the sport a little more...
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Post by mjnaleva on Oct 4, 2017 18:17:51 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on this thread that the rule change would help refs and I think that may be a big part of why the change is being considered. If you can eliminate a potentially controversial call (ie did blocker touch ball or not so how many touches are allowed now?), then the intention seems legit. I know changing rules is always going to get someone upset but it's possible this same line of thinking also played a role in why net serves were allowed several years back. Of course some rule changes have focused on trying to make game more fan friendly so hard to know what top priority with FIVB is when it comes to these change suggestions. Sometimes I think the officials involved in these suggestions are just trying to justify their roles too.
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