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Post by travismewhirter on Nov 16, 2017 11:37:44 GMT -5
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Post by ajm on Nov 16, 2017 12:38:24 GMT -5
I like the idea, but I think you'd have to make sure the last qualifying event matters somehow, otherwise you won't get a mainstream audience to pay attention to the "Olympic trials" they way they do for swimming, track and field, gymnastics, etc, which are single events. If Phil/Nick are so far ahead going into the final event, it just becomes anti-climatic. Maybe you award double points or something. But I think there would be a huge appeal to having the qualifications played on US soil. The 1996 trials were incredible. Sure it sucks that Stoklos rolled his ankle, but I don't think you could argue that Whitmarsh/Dodd were undeserving. And one of the reasons it worked so well is that those players were all playing domestically full time. Keeping the top teams playing at home should be a priority for USAV. |
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Post by tamz on Nov 16, 2017 12:45:22 GMT -5
I second with Tri. Since the Olympics is a world event, the teams representing the US should earn it through the world tour rankings. That way, it is guaranteed that they would’ve matched up against the other international teams on the international stage. It shouldn’t be based on one event, where a team who just focuses domestically might have a slightly bigger advantage.
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Post by kolli on Nov 16, 2017 17:16:05 GMT -5
Yeah you make it sound like the US have two guaranteed spots to the Olympics. The spots have to be earned via the world tour ranking or norceca and continental cup. If no teams go out and earn the spots it’s not like the USAV can just hold a qualifying event and send some teams to the Olympics. Given the current world order and the history between FIVB and the AVP good luck trying to persuade FIVB to change the qualification process just to accommodate the US and at the same time boost the AVP.
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Post by tamz on Nov 16, 2017 18:00:14 GMT -5
Yeah you make it sound like the US have two guaranteed spots to the Olympics. The spots have to be earned via the world tour ranking or norceca and continental cup. If no teams go out and earn the spots it’s not like the USAV can just hold a qualifying event and send some teams to the Olympics. Given the current world order and the history between FIVB and the AVP good luck trying to persuade FIVB to change the qualification process just to accommodate the US and at the same time boost the AVP. True, if they’re competing with the rest of the world, they should comply with the rules that the Olympics and the FIVB set out to qualify to play in the Olympics. |
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Post by donnyw on Nov 16, 2017 18:48:23 GMT -5
I just don’t See there being a USA Qualification process...I don’t think any of the committees involved will jump on board with it.
I feel it should stay as is....You want to play the top teams in the World and earn your way there. If you don’t get into the top spots to make it, so be it....It means you just weren’t quite good enough this quad...I’m just not sure a team should be picked from the USA based on a few Gold Series AVP events. The two year struggle and all the blood, sweat & tears that go along with it is the way to go! It’s so fun to watch! At least for me...
BUT......
I also realize the more FIVB events that seem to be popping up, the harder it is going to be to keep our Big name players at home building the sport here in the USA..It’s a fine line...
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Post by donnyw on Nov 16, 2017 18:56:01 GMT -5
Yeah you make it sound like the US have two guaranteed spots to the Olympics. The spots have to be earned via the world tour ranking or norceca and continental cup. If no teams go out and earn the spots it’s not like the USAV can just hold a qualifying event and send some teams to the Olympics. Given the current world order and the history between FIVB and the AVP good luck trying to persuade FIVB to change the qualification process just to accommodate the US and at the same time boost the AVP. I agree...I don’t think the FIVB is out to do the AVP any favors or help them out in anyway. They want the best teams in the world at their events, whether their events coincide with Manhatten, Hermosa, etc....This is the one thing Donald Sun needs to make sure doesn’t happen in 2018.the FIVB schedule is set. Donald needs to keep his major, marketable players at his biggest tournaments. |
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Post by tamz on Nov 16, 2017 21:34:12 GMT -5
Yeah you make it sound like the US have two guaranteed spots to the Olympics. The spots have to be earned via the world tour ranking or norceca and continental cup. If no teams go out and earn the spots it’s not like the USAV can just hold a qualifying event and send some teams to the Olympics. Given the current world order and the history between FIVB and the AVP good luck trying to persuade FIVB to change the qualification process just to accommodate the US and at the same time boost the AVP. I agree...I don’t think the FIVB is out to do the AVP any favors or help them out in anyway. They want the best teams in the world at their events, whether their events coincide with Manhatten, Hermosa, etc....This is the one thing Donald Sun needs to make sure doesn’t happen in 2018.the FIVB schedule is set. Donald needs to keep his major, marketable players at his biggest tournaments. Hope AVP works around FIVB’s schedule since it’s already released so athletes can plan their summers accordingly. |
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Post by guest2 on Nov 17, 2017 8:35:48 GMT -5
The trouble with an FIVB centric process is the relative paucity of tournaments, qualification process etc. makes it functionally unfair.
For reference's sake lets say that the top 5 Women's teams last year were Larissa, Duda, Pavan, or Germany 1 and 2 (you could argue some of those but for arguments sake its fine)
If last year had been relevant for qualification,
Lauren played those teams 11 times in 8 events
Summer played them 6 times in 8 events
The two leading US teams also did not play each other at all. Any qualification process based on that is seriously flawed.
If the goal is to be fair then let one team qualify automatically based on points etc (or skip that step)
Then take the next 3-4 teams and have them play 2-3 round robin events where each team plays every other team twice. Space the events out over two months to account for form and play at different locations to make sure that the sand, wind etc. doesnt excessively favor any team.
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Post by donnyw on Nov 17, 2017 11:47:58 GMT -5
Way to do your homework Guest2...I’d rather not see the USA teams play each other in FIVB tourneys until the medal rounds.
I just don’t want to see us sending teams (example:Brooke & Lauren) to the Olympics with no chance of doing anything. Good team, but was not competitive in pool play against some of the top teams in the world. However, based on the rules, they earned their spot. I’d really like to hear from some of the top USA Players (Phil, April, KW,) on their thoughts of how the process should play out. I don’t really see anything changing but there are definitely more knowledgeable posters on this board than i regarding this subject.
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Post by Semp12 on Nov 17, 2017 15:06:27 GMT -5
Way to do your homework Guest2...I’d rather not see the USA teams play each other in FIVB tourneys until the medal rounds. I just don’t want to see us sending teams (example:Brooke & Lauren) to the Olympics with no chance of doing anything. Good team, but was not competitive in pool play against some of the top teams in the world. However, based on the rules, they earned their spot. I’d really like to hear from some of the top USA Players (Phil, April, KW,) on their thoughts of how the process should play out. I don’t really see anything changing but there are definitely more knowledgeable posters on this board than i regarding this subject. The last time this was brought up, those top players wanted it to stay the same way. They also are the ones who have been doing the grind for years and years, so a change would hurt the work they put in.. I agree with the poster above who mentioned a fine line. We want Beach VB to be bigger here in the US, and some Olympic trial competitions on TV would certainly be an opportunity for television eyes, but we do want athletes who do well internationally and not at one or two US tournaments. Perhaps a combination of FIVB points, with one or two US tournaments that also gives points, could work? If one of the bids was still on the line, that could still draw viewers. |
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Post by pnw_mark on Nov 17, 2017 17:11:21 GMT -5
Why are we limiting the number of teams that make the Olympics? I would think given the length of the summer Olympics (2 weeks?) there's certainly time to for a process that could include most countries.
The drama of a tournament where the winner went to the Olympics would be very appealing to TV.
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Post by tamz on Nov 17, 2017 21:03:48 GMT -5
Why are we limiting the number of teams that make the Olympics? I would think given the length of the summer Olympics (2 weeks?) there's certainly time to for a process that could include most countries. The drama of a tournament where the winner went to the Olympics would be very appealing to TV. But only two teams from a country can go to the Olympics. |
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Post by guest2 on Nov 18, 2017 3:00:05 GMT -5
Way to do your homework Guest2...I’d rather not see the USA teams play each other in FIVB tourneys until the medal rounds. I just don’t want to see us sending teams (example:Brooke & Lauren) to the Olympics with no chance of doing anything. Good team, but was not competitive in pool play against some of the top teams in the world. However, based on the rules, they earned their spot. I’d really like to hear from some of the top USA Players (Phil, April, KW,) on their thoughts of how the process should play out. I don’t really see anything changing but there are definitely more knowledgeable posters on this board than i regarding this subject. I agree wholeheartedly here. Lauren and Brooke in the Olympics was very disappointing from a US perspective especially because a ton of their points were based on terrible finises |
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