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Post by stevedraco123 on Apr 24, 2019 19:36:54 GMT -5
Walsh hit like .250 on the year as a right side. If you ask me, that’s no all American, that’s a very solid player. I believe those Midwest teams are inflated and not all of those players are as good as the numbers say, but Fontbonne did not seem to have a clear standout who should garner those honors as well That's a fair argument, but I'll pose the same question to you. Who would you replace him with? Personally I thought Walsh should've been 2nd team or HM, so I'm fine with where he landed. I agree with you about Fontbonne not having any AA's, but that also wasn't an argument I was trying to make. Would like to hear why you think midwest teams have inflated numbers. I'm not gonna argue that the midwest and east are equal, but I think the gap is a lot closer than people give it credit for so I think the "inflated numbers" argument is bogus. Yeah there are some bad programs in the midwest that the better teams pad their stats against, but I don't see how that's any different than the UVC and CVC's top teams beating up on their conference's bottom feeders. Walsh may not have deserved to be an AA but that doesn't mean his numbers are inflated. If they were truly inflated then he would have hit hire than .252 on the season. Hadzisalihovic from Fontbonne should have been an AA. That kid is a baller. The bottom of the MCVL is much tougher than the bottom of the CVC. Trine, who went 0-9 in the MCVL, beat Elizabethtown who had 4 wins in CVC conference play. The bottom of the CVC can contest for the worst bottom half in the country. Immaculata did not win a single set this season(that has to be a first?), Neumann had 2 D3 wins (1 was Immaculata), Cairn had one player do everything for them on the way to an 8-16 record and EMU went 4-19 with no out of conference wins. The CVC is no longer the powerhouse that it used to be. By supremewaffle's logic, anyone from the CVC shouldn't be an AA because their numbers are inflated
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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Apr 24, 2019 19:59:32 GMT -5
That's a fair argument, but I'll pose the same question to you. Who would you replace him with? Personally I thought Walsh should've been 2nd team or HM, so I'm fine with where he landed. I agree with you about Fontbonne not having any AA's, but that also wasn't an argument I was trying to make. Would like to hear why you think midwest teams have inflated numbers. I'm not gonna argue that the midwest and east are equal, but I think the gap is a lot closer than people give it credit for so I think the "inflated numbers" argument is bogus. Yeah there are some bad programs in the midwest that the better teams pad their stats against, but I don't see how that's any different than the UVC and CVC's top teams beating up on their conference's bottom feeders. Walsh may not have deserved to be an AA but that doesn't mean his numbers are inflated. If they were truly inflated then he would have hit hire than .252 on the season. Hadzisalihovic from Fontbonne should have been an AA. That kid is a baller. The bottom of the MCVL is much tougher than the bottom of the CVC. Trine, who went 0-9 in the MCVL, beat Elizabethtown who had 4 wins in CVC conference play. The bottom of the CVC can contest for the worst bottom half in the country. Immaculata did not win a single set this season(that has to be a first?), Neumann had 2 D3 wins (1 was Immaculata), Cairn had one player do everything for them on the way to an 8-16 record and EMU went 4-19 with no out of conference wins. The CVC is no longer the powerhouse that it used to be. By supremewaffle's logic, anyone from the CVC shouldn't be an AA because their numbers are inflated Walsh is a good player but I did not think he earned that much recognition this year. As far as numbers, I mistyped. I meant the team of Carthage had inflated numbers aka their SOS. The MCVL bottom is intact much tougher than the bottom of most conferences. However, this raises their win percentage when they go out of conference. This in turn boosts Carthage and their SOS without them playing legit top teams. The east coast teams who have a weak conference bottom automatically have a disadvantage from playing those teams. As for who I would replace Walsh with, there were several candidates. I can name them if needed but I think the numbers speak
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Post by gwvb12 on Apr 24, 2019 20:20:23 GMT -5
Walsh may not have deserved to be an AA but that doesn't mean his numbers are inflated. If they were truly inflated then he would have hit hire than .252 on the season. Hadzisalihovic from Fontbonne should have been an AA. That kid is a baller. The bottom of the MCVL is much tougher than the bottom of the CVC. Trine, who went 0-9 in the MCVL, beat Elizabethtown who had 4 wins in CVC conference play. The bottom of the CVC can contest for the worst bottom half in the country. Immaculata did not win a single set this season(that has to be a first?), Neumann had 2 D3 wins (1 was Immaculata), Cairn had one player do everything for them on the way to an 8-16 record and EMU went 4-19 with no out of conference wins. The CVC is no longer the powerhouse that it used to be. By supremewaffle's logic, anyone from the CVC shouldn't be an AA because their numbers are inflated Walsh is a good player but I did not think he earned that much recognition this year. As far as numbers, I mistyped. I meant the team of Carthage had inflated numbers aka their SOS. The MCVL bottom is intact much tougher than the bottom of most conferences. However, this raises their win percentage when they go out of conference. This in turn boosts Carthage and their SOS without them playing legit top teams. The east coast teams who have a weak conference bottom automatically have a disadvantage from playing those teams. As for who I would replace Walsh with, there were several candidates. I can name them if needed but I think the numbers speak If you don't mind I would like to hear you'd vote for. Honestly just curious, no sarcasm intended.
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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Apr 24, 2019 20:55:45 GMT -5
Walsh is a good player but I did not think he earned that much recognition this year. As far as numbers, I mistyped. I meant the team of Carthage had inflated numbers aka their SOS. The MCVL bottom is intact much tougher than the bottom of most conferences. However, this raises their win percentage when they go out of conference. This in turn boosts Carthage and their SOS without them playing legit top teams. The east coast teams who have a weak conference bottom automatically have a disadvantage from playing those teams. As for who I would replace Walsh with, there were several candidates. I can name them if needed but I think the numbers speak If you don't mind I would like to hear you'd vote for. Honestly just curious, no sarcasm intended. Since I lumped all pins together, I would have placed O’Laughlin from Wells instead. He hot a higher percentage on the year and lead that to to success the nobody thought they would have.
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Post by Deepdisher on Apr 24, 2019 21:48:46 GMT -5
Bold Prediction - Katie LaClaire COY
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Post by sandduck on Apr 25, 2019 7:26:15 GMT -5
O'Loughlin 3.84 k/s(507 total), 290% ,2.15 digs/s,.42 blks/s, .39 aces/s. Final 8 team, 4-6 vs ranked teams. He deserved at least 2nd team in my opinion.
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Post by colonial2415 on Apr 25, 2019 8:17:37 GMT -5
The real pic for COY should be TERESA RODRIGUEZ of Medgar Evers. That program hasn't had a winning record in like ten years. They haven't had more than 5 wins in just as long. They even lost over 50 matches in a row at one point. This year they go 16-7! That is a huge turnaround and it should be rewarded. I told you guys that this team will be something to watch, and I'm sticking to it. Her turning around this program in ONE year is more than the other coaches have accomplished THIS SEASON. If these coaches that vote for this award had any balls, they would vote for her.
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Post by volleyturt on Apr 25, 2019 8:26:46 GMT -5
Who do we see as player of the year tonight? Nick smith hit around 400 as an outside, hard to contest that.
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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Apr 25, 2019 8:42:22 GMT -5
Who do we see as player of the year tonight? Nick smith hit around 400 as an outside, hard to contest that. Probably between him and Lehman, both are dominant hitters in their own right. I would agree and say smith hitting the percentage of a middle is absurd.
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 25, 2019 8:44:06 GMT -5
Completely agree Caden should have made it. Thought he had tough break.
Also have Nick Smith for NPoY. Really think that New Paltz team would struggle without his ridiculously efficient production
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Post by carthagebaby on Apr 25, 2019 12:46:55 GMT -5
If they add up the stats like they did for AA and also the bracket as a whole, it will be Lehman.
If they take into account the challenge of hitting .400 as an outside as well as consistent serve receive, it will be Nick Smith.
The way that they decide these players is too heavily based on stats. Lehman just hits and blocks, hence his numbers are sky high in both categories.
The fact that Smith has been leading the team as a captain, passer, defensive player and an attacker should prove he is the true Player of the Year.
But realistically they might give player of the year to Charlie Sullivan, for his constant desperate ref distraction tactics.
IDEAS?
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Post by BiasedBlocker on Apr 25, 2019 12:52:22 GMT -5
Good coaches produce good programs. Good programs attract good recruits. Saying the school is the reason for success is pretty much just nonsense. Good programs take time, vision, and leadership to develop. Regardless of personal feelings about any of the coaches at the aforementioned schools, they've put in the time to create a culture of success that will attract talent. Yes, I am 100% convinced that Charlie Sullivan would have had the same success at Medgar Evers that he has had at Springfield. "Good coaches produce good programs, good programs attract good recruits. Saying the school is the reason for success is pretty much just nonsense"
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Post by jinglingjoe on Apr 25, 2019 13:31:18 GMT -5
Completely agree Caden should have made it. Thought he had tough break. Also have Nick Smith for NPoY. Really think that New Paltz team would struggle without his ridiculously efficient production Don't believe Caden was nominated for AA and even if he was don't believe he would have gotten it. Hit mid-low .200s against ranked teams, great season but not an all american.
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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Apr 25, 2019 13:50:02 GMT -5
Completely agree Caden should have made it. Thought he had tough break. Also have Nick Smith for NPoY. Really think that New Paltz team would struggle without his ridiculously efficient production Don't believe Caden was nominated for AA and even if he was don't believe he would have gotten it. Hit mid-low .200s against ranked teams, great season but not an all american. The person he should have replaced hit mid 200 for the year though, thats the difference here.
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 25, 2019 17:53:53 GMT -5
Completely agree Caden should have made it. Thought he had tough break. Also have Nick Smith for NPoY. Really think that New Paltz team would struggle without his ridiculously efficient production Don't believe Caden was nominated for AA and even if he was don't believe he would have gotten it. Hit mid-low .200s against ranked teams, great season but not an all american. I heard he wasn't nominated which is shame. I know he torched Elms and Springfield- but didn't dive into it too much deeper
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