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Post by n00b on Apr 23, 2018 12:46:19 GMT -5
So is August a dead period now, or are we still waiting on that? August is a quiet period.
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Post by 642fiddi on Apr 24, 2018 11:19:01 GMT -5
Will this make recruiting services more or less relevant/useful?
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Post by volleav on Apr 24, 2018 16:12:06 GMT -5
The NCAA says, “An unofficial visit with athletics department involvement shall not occur with an individual before September 1 at the beginning of his or her junior year in high school.”
The PSA may visit any campus of her choice on her family’s own accord but will not be permitted to meet with an athletics staff on the university’s campus prior to September 1 of the PSA’s junior year.
That is the rule. But what can and can’t be done is the question. We can’t meet with them or talk to any of them. But are we allowed to walk even into see what the gym looks like when they aren’t there? (obviously not the locker and team rooms, but just the arena/gym itself. Can we walk into the gym and be in the stands when they are practicing as long as we don’t speak to them or make eye contact? There’s no rules against going to games. Where is the grey areas?
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Post by n00b on Apr 24, 2018 16:15:30 GMT -5
The NCAA says, “An unofficial visit with athletics department involvement shall not occur with an individual before September 1 at the beginning of his or her junior year in high school.” The PSA may visit any campus of her choice on her family’s own accord but will not be permitted to meet with an athletics staff on the university’s campus prior to September 1 of the PSA’s junior year. That is the rule. But what can and can’t be done is the question. We can’t meet with them or talk to any of them. But are we allowed to walk even into see what the gym looks like when they aren’t there? (obviously not the locker and team rooms, but just the arena/gym itself. Can we walk into the gym and be in the stands when they are practicing as long as we don’t speak to them or make eye contact? There’s no rules against going to games. Where is the grey areas? Yes to all of the above. There is nothing the recruit (or her parents) can do to commit a violation. The coach just can't meet you (or manufacture situations that wouldn't be available to non-athlete high schoolers like intentionally leaving the lockerroom door propped open).
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Post by wmiv1895 on Apr 24, 2018 19:50:07 GMT -5
The NCAA says, “An unofficial visit with athletics department involvement shall not occur with an individual before September 1 at the beginning of his or her junior year in high school.” The PSA may visit any campus of her choice on her family’s own accord but will not be permitted to meet with an athletics staff on the university’s campus prior to September 1 of the PSA’s junior year. That is the rule. But what can and can’t be done is the question. We can’t meet with them or talk to any of them. But are we allowed to walk even into see what the gym looks like when they aren’t there? (obviously not the locker and team rooms, but just the arena/gym itself. Can we walk into the gym and be in the stands when they are practicing as long as we don’t speak to them or make eye contact? There’s no rules against going to games. Where is the grey areas? As long as players in 8th, 9th, or 10th grade can call coaches directly and speak with them, you can rest assured that arrangements will be made to accommodate families on visits before Sept. 1 of the junior year. What about the spouse of the head coach or assistant coach that knows the routine but isn't an athletic dept. employee? I bet they eventually make the rules like lacrosse.
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Post by huskerjen on Apr 24, 2018 20:04:22 GMT -5
The NCAA says, “An unofficial visit with athletics department involvement shall not occur with an individual before September 1 at the beginning of his or her junior year in high school.” The PSA may visit any campus of her choice on her family’s own accord but will not be permitted to meet with an athletics staff on the university’s campus prior to September 1 of the PSA’s junior year. That is the rule. But what can and can’t be done is the question. We can’t meet with them or talk to any of them. But are we allowed to walk even into see what the gym looks like when they aren’t there? (obviously not the locker and team rooms, but just the arena/gym itself. Can we walk into the gym and be in the stands when they are practicing as long as we don’t speak to them or make eye contact? There’s no rules against going to games. Where is the grey areas? Coaches will still talk to players, they just won't be publicly flagrant about it. It's not like the NCAA is sending "conversation police" to every campus to monitor discussions. The players, families, and coaches, all want to talk to each other, there's no incentive to prohibit them other than a rule that won't be enforced.
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Post by n00b on Apr 24, 2018 20:45:02 GMT -5
The NCAA says, “An unofficial visit with athletics department involvement shall not occur with an individual before September 1 at the beginning of his or her junior year in high school.” The PSA may visit any campus of her choice on her family’s own accord but will not be permitted to meet with an athletics staff on the university’s campus prior to September 1 of the PSA’s junior year. That is the rule. But what can and can’t be done is the question. We can’t meet with them or talk to any of them. But are we allowed to walk even into see what the gym looks like when they aren’t there? (obviously not the locker and team rooms, but just the arena/gym itself. Can we walk into the gym and be in the stands when they are practicing as long as we don’t speak to them or make eye contact? There’s no rules against going to games. Where is the grey areas? As long as players in 8th, 9th, or 10th grade can call coaches directly and speak with them, you can rest assured that arrangements will be made to accommodate families on visits before Sept. 1 of the junior year. What about the spouse of the head coach or assistant coach that knows the routine but isn't an athletic dept. employee? I bet they eventually make the rules like lacrosse. Those are boosters and it is equally illegal. If you’re going to break the rule, you might as well do it with the actual coaching staff.
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Post by uncommitted on Apr 28, 2018 9:49:07 GMT -5
So...a freshman or sophomore can still visit a school -take a tour, speak with admissions and professors - but they can't speak with coach or anyone from athletic department. Hmmmm... How long will it take for school's to create a position in admission department for an Athletics counselor or counselors? Someone who is assigned to work in admissions department, but whose sole job is to communicate and recruit young athletes, taking their direction from coaches about what to say, etc... Not long I am sure... My guess is April 26th Very close. On April 27 my sophomore daughter received an invitation to an inexpensive one day “camp” on a weekday (next week) designed to present a day in the life of a student athlete. Won’t be one on one attention but my guess is this will be pretty similar to an unofficial visit....camps throughout the school year (and especially during recruiting season) will become the norm
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Post by newenglander on May 1, 2018 11:38:39 GMT -5
In regards to the quiet period going to the Friday before President's Day weekend... one positive pointed out is that D1 college staff will have to be on the the road less, but can they really see the number of recruits that they need to with one less big weekend (MLK)? I know that coaches that I talk to can't keep pace at the larger tournaments (head to a court to see someone in a blowout match or that's getting a set off for rest and have to come back to that court) or have to lose some of their time by watching a recruit just to placate the parents/player by showing the schools continued interest. I'm not talking about the top RPI schools but how about those in the 150+ range that might have a smaller staff/travel budget. The number of days recruiting stayed at 80. How will coaches be on the road less? The tournaments between President's Day and May 1st will now just be bigger and more frequent. If your program is unable to send multiple coaches to multiple cities on a single weekend, you're in trouble. How much bigger can they get? Most are out of space and quickly sold out.
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Post by bigfan on May 1, 2018 12:36:12 GMT -5
Very close. On April 27 my sophomore daughter received an invitation to an inexpensive one day “camp” on a weekday (next week) designed to present a day in the life of a student athlete. Won’t be one on one attention but my guess is this will be pretty similar to an unofficial visit....camps throughout the school year (and especially during recruiting season) will become the norm Did not take long for loop holes to be implemented.
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