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Post by JohnnyDrama on Feb 12, 2019 13:01:14 GMT -5
What possible difference could the outcome of this case make in your opinion? If your standard is Crime then this won't affect it. If the bans from organizations across the sport don't move you then this won't. If you can't be bothered to listen and believe the victims then I really don't expect this to move you either. If your embrace of the SoL is where you make your stand then I guess the world will just have to sweep past you and leave you behind and isolated in your defense of RB. The changes in the power leagues indicate the way the winds are blowing, and it's been a while since they've blown any other direction. The unfortunate part for cases like this is it all boils back down to money. Why do you think there’s a dozen host sites for the WCPL? Everyone wanted their share of the pie, eventhough im sure the region is taking a hefty cut for themselves. If it was all about a true boycott of the issues, then places like 1A and Fusion and Sky High have had their fair share of issues that they also choose to overlook for money. 1A is doing it right now with a coach listed on two of their rosters. People want to get behind a cause, but when it becomes hypocritical then the focus is lost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 13:29:11 GMT -5
What possible difference could the outcome of this case make in your opinion? If your standard is Crime then this won't affect it. If the bans from organizations across the sport don't move you then this won't. If you can't be bothered to listen and believe the victims then I really don't expect this to move you either. If your embrace of the SoL is where you make your stand then I guess the world will just have to sweep past you and leave you behind and isolated in your defense of RB. The changes in the power leagues indicate the way the winds are blowing, and it's been a while since they've blown any other direction. The unfortunate part for cases like this is it all boils back down to money. Why do you think there’s a dozen host sites for the WCPL? Everyone wanted their share of the pie, eventhough im sure the region is taking a hefty cut for themselves. If it was all about a true boycott of the issues, then places like 1A and Fusion and Sky High have had their fair share of issues that they also choose to overlook for money. 1A is doing it right now with a coach listed on two of their rosters. People want to get behind a cause, but when it becomes hypocritical then the focus is lost. Is it intentional when you take a rick butler thread and make it about others? Not that anyone else preying on youngsters is ok. Other clubs allowing/sheltering/enabling predators need to be addressed. I would think step one would be to file a complaint through SafeSport. Pretty straightforward thing. If you would like to PM me details of these other clubs actions, I would be happy to file a report myself! Heck, if you want to start a thread about other clubs/coaches that need to be banned from the sport, lets do it! But please stop taking a Rick Butler thread and trying to make it about anyone other than Rick Butler. And while money is in play in this suit, it is not all about the money. Trying to oversimplify it to say 'everyone just wants the money' is extremely misleading to casual reader. It actually doesn't boil down to money. It will boil down to did RB/CB/GVL deceive thousands of families by providing false narrative of RBs past sexual assaults? It is really more about victims and RB/CB being heard by a jury of their peers to determine who was/is truthful. Money will just be a result of the verdict.
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Post by deohge on Feb 12, 2019 13:48:31 GMT -5
The unfortunate part for cases like this is it all boils back down to money. Why do you think there’s a dozen host sites for the WCPL? Everyone wanted their share of the pie, eventhough im sure the region is taking a hefty cut for themselves. If it was all about a true boycott of the issues, then places like 1A and Fusion and Sky High have had their fair share of issues that they also choose to overlook for money. 1A is doing it right now with a coach listed on two of their rosters. People want to get behind a cause, but when it becomes hypocritical then the focus is lost. Is it intentional when you take a rick butler thread and make it about others? Not that anyone else preying on youngsters is ok. Other clubs allowing/sheltering/enabling predators need to be addressed. I would think step one would be to file a complaint through SafeSport. Pretty straightforward thing. If you would like to PM me details of these other clubs actions, I would be happy to file a report myself! Heck, if you want to start a thread about other clubs/coaches that need to be banned from the sport, lets do it! But please stop taking a Rick Butler thread and trying to make it about anyone other than Rick Butler. And while money is in play in this suit, it is not all about the money. Trying to oversimplify it to say 'everyone just wants the money' is extremely misleading to casual reader. It actually doesn't boil down to money. It will boil down to did RB/CB/GVL deceive thousands of families by providing false narrative of RBs past sexual assaults? It is really more about victims and RB/CB being heard by a jury of their peers to determine who was/is truthful. Money will just be a result of the verdict. What is the false narrative that RB provided? If you know please inform all of us. As far as I know most people are getting their information from news accounts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:26:47 GMT -5
Is it intentional when you take a rick butler thread and make it about others? Not that anyone else preying on youngsters is ok. Other clubs allowing/sheltering/enabling predators need to be addressed. I would think step one would be to file a complaint through SafeSport. Pretty straightforward thing. If you would like to PM me details of these other clubs actions, I would be happy to file a report myself! Heck, if you want to start a thread about other clubs/coaches that need to be banned from the sport, lets do it! But please stop taking a Rick Butler thread and trying to make it about anyone other than Rick Butler. And while money is in play in this suit, it is not all about the money. Trying to oversimplify it to say 'everyone just wants the money' is extremely misleading to casual reader. It actually doesn't boil down to money. It will boil down to did RB/CB/GVL deceive thousands of families by providing false narrative of RBs past sexual assaults? It is really more about victims and RB/CB being heard by a jury of their peers to determine who was/is truthful. Money will just be a result of the verdict. What is the false narrative that RB provided? If you know please inform all of us. As far as I know most people are getting their information from news accounts. W-O-W... for someone who is hyper critical of people reposting "old news", you sure seem to ask questions that have already been answered. I could probably cite many instances of false narrative, but will simply give one and link for you to 'read the whole thing' and learn more, if you so choose. When Rick admitted to having sex with three of the victims, he stated he did not have sex with the girls when they were minors or when they were still players. Refer to pg. 28 of the Complaint details the official findings from 1995 hearing conducted by the Ethics and Eligibility Committee of the United States Volleyball Association. www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777.1.0.pdfenjoy the reading materials
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Post by deohge on Feb 12, 2019 14:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by deohge on Feb 12, 2019 14:45:05 GMT -5
What is the false narrative that RB provided? If you know please inform all of us. As far as I know most people are getting their information from news accounts. W-O-W... for someone who is hyper critical of people reposting "old news", you sure seem to ask questions that have already been answered. I could probably cite many instances of false narrative, but will simply give one and link for you to 'read the whole thing' and learn more, if you so choose. When Rick admitted to having sex with three of the victims, he stated he did not have sex with the girls when they were minors or when they were still players. Refer to pg. 28 of the Complaint details the official findings from 1995 hearing conducted by the Ethics and Eligibility Committee of the United States Volleyball Association. www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777.1.0.pdfenjoy the reading materials Good luck with your class action.
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Post by ikamtm on Feb 12, 2019 21:05:12 GMT -5
What possible difference could the outcome of this case make in your opinion? If your standard is Crime then this won't affect it. If the bans from organizations across the sport don't move you then this won't. If you can't be bothered to listen and believe the victims then I really don't expect this to move you either. If your embrace of the SoL is where you make your stand then I guess the world will just have to sweep past you and leave you behind and isolated in your defense of RB. The changes in the power leagues indicate the way the winds are blowing, and it's been a while since they've blown any other direction. The unfortunate part for cases like this is it all boils back down to money. Why do you think there’s a dozen host sites for the WCPL? Everyone wanted their share of the pie, eventhough im sure the region is taking a hefty cut for themselves. If it was all about a true boycott of the issues, then places like 1A and Fusion and Sky High have had their fair share of issues that they also choose to overlook for money. 1A is doing it right now with a coach listed on two of their rosters. People want to get behind a cause, but when it becomes hypocritical then the focus is lost. I know that GL is not taking anything out of this. Their audited financials show that every year the league basically breaks even. Financials also state they do not take any gate from any sites. Last year, gross revenue from the league was almost 1/2 mil; end result was a profit of $4k which was thrown in a pot to subsidize teams that qualified through a National Qualifier to attend the GJNC and BJNC. Sorry, but not the money grab you are assuming. From what I see in their financials, there were always 8 sites from the 2010 league inception. This year there are 9. I will say that site rental looks very hefty, taking up 58% of entry fees. That, plus their full gate makes many of the site owners happy campers.
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Post by JohnnyDrama on Feb 12, 2019 23:46:45 GMT -5
The unfortunate part for cases like this is it all boils back down to money. Why do you think there’s a dozen host sites for the WCPL? Everyone wanted their share of the pie, eventhough im sure the region is taking a hefty cut for themselves. If it was all about a true boycott of the issues, then places like 1A and Fusion and Sky High have had their fair share of issues that they also choose to overlook for money. 1A is doing it right now with a coach listed on two of their rosters. People want to get behind a cause, but when it becomes hypocritical then the focus is lost. I know that GL is not taking anything out of this. Their audited financials show that every year the league basically breaks even. Financials also state they do not take any gate from any sites. Last year, gross revenue from the league was almost 1/2 mil; end result was a profit of $4k which was thrown in a pot to subsidize teams that qualified through a National Qualifier to attend the GJNC and BJNC. Sorry, but not the money grab you are assuming. From what I see in their financials, there were always 8 sites from the 2010 league inception. This year there are 9. I will say that site rental looks very hefty, taking up 58% of entry fees. That, plus their full gate makes many of the site owners happy campers. I'm no accountant...but can you help us see on the link below where you came to all that info? Unless you have another link to share. From what I can see..."Entry Fees" is very vague and can be for more than just the WCPL. Their expenses for the league are broadly stated as $430k. Honest question...how did you come to the $4 profit because I could not find that on their site. But thank you for also agreeing that it was a money grab for all the clubs who could now host more courts across multiple dates. I do know that there were two or three of them who almost got screwed out of the deal. www.greatlakesvolleyball.org/Documents/2017-2018%20Audited%20Financials.pdfAlso...there's 11 sites according to the AES schedule.... results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMTgyMjM90/court-schedule
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 13, 2019 9:52:19 GMT -5
I know that GL is not taking anything out of this. Their audited financials show that every year the league basically breaks even. Financials also state they do not take any gate from any sites. Last year, gross revenue from the league was almost 1/2 mil; end result was a profit of $4k which was thrown in a pot to subsidize teams that qualified through a National Qualifier to attend the GJNC and BJNC. Sorry, but not the money grab you are assuming. From what I see in their financials, there were always 8 sites from the 2010 league inception. This year there are 9. I will say that site rental looks very hefty, taking up 58% of entry fees. That, plus their full gate makes many of the site owners happy campers. I'm no accountant...but can you help us see on the link below where you came to all that info? Unless you have another link to share. From what I can see..."Entry Fees" is very vague and can be for more than just the WCPL. Their expenses for the league are broadly stated as $430k. Honest question...how did you come to the $4 profit because I could not find that on their site. But thank you for also agreeing that it was a money grab for all the clubs who could now host more courts across multiple dates. I do know that there were two or three of them who almost got screwed out of the deal. www.greatlakesvolleyball.org/Documents/2017-2018%20Audited%20Financials.pdfAlso...there's 11 sites according to the AES schedule.... results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMTgyMjM90/court-scheduleShe knows that because she knows the region people but are not friends, wait or was it that she doesn't know them at all.....oh oh nvm she just posted recently she knows them very well. Like I have been saying, every once in a while she gives us great information and insight that others have not provided, but can't stand when someone rips on the region and she seems to take it pretty personal as if she spent a considerably long time attached to it. And please it was always a money grab, Fusion got in to bed with the butlers to be involved with GLPL when they went away from USAV and they definitely knew what was going on then suddenly felt they had to distance themselves when the butler news got more public, plus they are a host site for CVL. Chicago Elite is also in on WCPL and CVL not to mention we can remind everyone that Joel was fired for stealing money from CPS and basically over charging his camp participants. Bunch of scumbags running juniors volleyball right now in the Chicagoland area, how much money can you make for yourself while giving an appearance of moral integrity for your paying members.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 13, 2019 10:02:56 GMT -5
I know that GL is not taking anything out of this. Their audited financials show that every year the league basically breaks even. Financials also state they do not take any gate from any sites. Last year, gross revenue from the league was almost 1/2 mil; end result was a profit of $4k which was thrown in a pot to subsidize teams that qualified through a National Qualifier to attend the GJNC and BJNC. Sorry, but not the money grab you are assuming. From what I see in their financials, there were always 8 sites from the 2010 league inception. This year there are 9. I will say that site rental looks very hefty, taking up 58% of entry fees. That, plus their full gate makes many of the site owners happy campers. Also...there's 11 sites according to the AES schedule.... results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMTgyMjM90/court-scheduleMy guess is she considers Sky High and First Alliance as one host even though they have provided two different sites.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 10:24:41 GMT -5
Back to the topic of the thread, Rick Butler and the law suit against him, CB and GVL. Court denies motion to redefine the class to "to limit the class to individuals who paid for instruction through the all-girls Sports Performance 18 Elite Team that Rick Butler personally coached." www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777.110.0.pdfI am curious about the class definition "The Court granted the motion but modified the class definition, limiting it to individuals who paid for youth volleyball instruction through GLV's Sports Performance program." Does that include camps held at GLV? Regardless, glad to see the direction this continues to take.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 13, 2019 10:33:19 GMT -5
Back to the topic of the thread, Rick Butler and the law suit against him, CB and GVL. Court denies motion to redefine the class to "to limit the class to individuals who paid for instruction through the all-girls Sports Performance 18 Elite Team that Rick Butler personally coached." www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777/gov.uscourts.ilnd.349777.110.0.pdfI am curious about the class definition "The Court granted the motion but modified the class definition, limiting it to individuals who paid for youth volleyball instruction through GLV's Sports Performance program." Does that include camps held at GLV? Regardless, glad to see the direction this continues to take. I would imagine they tried this angle because it would limit the time frame of who could file, i.e. when did the top teams start going by Elite rather than mizuno or whatever else they used. Also I could see them disliking the wording because he was listed as a master coach and was probably on multiple courts during position or group training at some point or another, ran camps that were at GLC, as well as camps at surrounding colleges and high schools that he ran and attended.
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Post by azvb on Feb 13, 2019 13:41:43 GMT -5
So many acronyms in this thread I get confused. SPVB, GLVB, GLC, GVL, GLPL, CVL, WCPL, SPRI. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
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Post by moderndaycoach on Feb 13, 2019 13:52:03 GMT -5
So many acronyms in this thread I get confused. SPVB, GLVB, GLC, GVL, GLPL, CVL, WCPL, SPRI. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 SPVB - Sports Performance Volleyball (butler) SPRI - Sports Performance Rehabilitation Institute (butler) GLVB - Great Lakes Volleyball (region) GLR - Great Lakes Region (region - USAV) GLPL - Great Lakes Power League (butler) CVL - Chicago Volleyball League (region - JVA) WCPL - Windy City Power League (region - USAV)
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Post by azvb on Feb 13, 2019 13:55:59 GMT -5
So many acronyms in this thread I get confused. SPVB, GLVB, GLC, GVL, GLPL, CVL, WCPL, SPRI. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 SPVB - Sports Performance Volleyball (butler) SPRI - Sports Performance Rehabilitation Institute (butler) GLVB - Great Lakes Volleyball (region) GLR - Great Lakes Region (region - USAV) GLPL - Great Lakes Power League (butler) CVL - Chicago Volleyball League (region - JVA) WCPL - Windy City Power League (region - USAV) Thank you! JVA was started by Butlers, yes or no? But now they’ve banned him?
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