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Post by why on Dec 19, 2018 17:27:15 GMT -5
Triple Crown in Kansas City is supposed to be really good competition. I've never been, but have heard a lot on here talk about how good it is. Gonna be too late to get into Triple Crown. Nike President's Day Classic in St. Louis is the next best option. www.triplecrownvolleyball.com/event-details.htmlI just checked and they are still taking entries as of today so this would be one good option.
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Post by mysterymom on Dec 19, 2018 21:21:27 GMT -5
Gonna be too late to get into Triple Crown. Nike President's Day Classic in St. Louis is the next best option. www.triplecrownvolleyball.com/event-details.htmlI just checked and they are still taking entries as of today so this would be one good option. Is there some part of the tournament that is invite-only? And how selective is that invite process?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 21:37:15 GMT -5
WCPL All the bragging about the WCPL on this board is hilarious! The 2019 WCPL will not be nearly as strong as the Great Lakes PL was in 2018 or years before. The WCPL teams will not play SPRI, Illini Elite, Far Out, VC United or virtually any of the Wisconsin clubs. The idiots who led this revolt to fill their facilities and line their pockets while everyone’s teams are driving all over Northern Illinois to play should be proud! The only losers are the players who will never play against the players from the GLPL clubs. Does anyone really believe the clubs in the GLPL are going to stop developing elite level players and fielding high quality teams. A kid like Landfair at SPRI is on the verge of developing into a superstar and none of those WCPL players are going to see her across the net. In past years all those players would have competed against each other multiple times. S-S-S (selfish, stupid & sad)! Is this the same SPRI that has prevented a player like Landfair from playing against all the top quality players in USAV qualifiers and the GJNC? Even with a qualifier in Chicago and the GJNC within driving distance each of the past 3 years? Seems like a very odd complaint that teams won't come to play SPRI when SPRI makes no effort to play the best when they are right in their own backyard. S-S-S?
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Post by charger0304 on Dec 19, 2018 22:20:12 GMT -5
Is there some part of the tournament that is invite-only? And how selective is that invite process? I believe it is invite-only but now that it's grown so much I think you can ask them to be invited. The format has changed over the years with essentially two divisions (top teams determined by Triple Crown and everyone else).
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 20, 2018 9:21:28 GMT -5
WCPL All the bragging about the WCPL on this board is hilarious! The 2019 WCPL will not be nearly as strong as the Great Lakes PL was in 2018 or years before. The WCPL teams will not play SPRI, Illini Elite, Far Out, VC United or virtually any of the Wisconsin clubs. The idiots who led this revolt to fill their facilities and line their pockets while everyone’s teams are driving all over Northern Illinois to play should be proud! The only losers are the players who will never play against the players from the GLPL clubs. Does anyone really believe the clubs in the GLPL are going to stop developing elite level players and fielding high quality teams. A kid like Landfair at SPRI is on the verge of developing into a superstar and none of those WCPL players are going to see her across the net. In past years all those players would have competed against each other multiple times. S-S-S (selfish, stupid & sad)! Is this the same SPRI that has prevented a player like Landfair from playing against all the top quality players in USAV qualifiers and the GJNC? Even with a qualifier in Chicago and the GJNC within driving distance each of the past 3 years? Seems like a very odd complaint that teams won't come to play SPRI when SPRI makes no effort to play the best when they are right in their own backyard. S-S-S? It certainly has not been by choice as long as rb wants to coach.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 10:08:00 GMT -5
Is this the same SPRI that has prevented a player like Landfair from playing against all the top quality players in USAV qualifiers and the GJNC? Even with a qualifier in Chicago and the GJNC within driving distance each of the past 3 years? Seems like a very odd complaint that teams won't come to play SPRI when SPRI makes no effort to play the best when they are right in their own backyard. S-S-S? It certainly has not been by choice as long as rb wants to coach. That is not a choice? A choice by club, coach and player?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 20, 2018 10:35:11 GMT -5
It certainly has not been by choice as long as rb wants to coach. That is not a choice? A choice by club, coach and player? Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but the only person who has a choice where she wants to play is Landfair, if she feels USAV is that important then it is very easy for her to put herself in a situation where she could compete against those players. Until recently rb was allowed to be a part of USAV only as a chaperone but was not permitted to coach - hence why JVA was created. Since he is now banned from that as well this problem could be solved by absolving himself completely from coaching, including being at the facility as if they registered USAV he could not do that either. Erik Vogt is her high school coach and a top person at SPRI, so unless he can convince rb to leave or he goes to another club he also does not have a choice. So no, USAV is not a choice for the club as long as rb wants to coach, not an option for Erik as long as he coaches at SPRI, and not an option for Landfair as long as she continues to play for SPRI.
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Post by JohnnyDrama on Dec 20, 2018 11:29:16 GMT -5
WCPL All the bragging about the WCPL on this board is hilarious! The 2019 WCPL will not be nearly as strong as the Great Lakes PL was in 2018 or years before. The WCPL teams will not play SPRI, Illini Elite, Far Out, VC United or virtually any of the Wisconsin clubs. The idiots who led this revolt to fill their facilities and line their pockets while everyone’s teams are driving all over Northern Illinois to play should be proud! The only losers are the players who will never play against the players from the GLPL clubs. Does anyone really believe the clubs in the GLPL are going to stop developing elite level players and fielding high quality teams. A kid like Landfair at SPRI is on the verge of developing into a superstar and none of those WCPL players are going to see her across the net. In past years all those players would have competed against each other multiple times. S-S-S (selfish, stupid & sad)! Is this the same SPRI that has prevented a player like Landfair from playing against all the top quality players in USAV qualifiers and the GJNC? Even with a qualifier in Chicago and the GJNC within driving distance each of the past 3 years? Seems like a very odd complaint that teams won't come to play SPRI when SPRI makes no effort to play the best when they are right in their own backyard. S-S-S? Not arguing with your post, but isn't the whole "USAV vs JVA competition" applicable to any club and any player that does ONLY USAV or ONLY JVA? There has certainly been top competition at both national tournaments the past few years with some clubs that do both. Put aside power league, since there are many top clubs in the country that do not even participate in a power league format in their respective areas. But most clubs will find the best competition to play regardless if it is USAV, JVA, or AAU sanctioned, so I do not think that any club that does not participate in any USAV events is preventing players from playing good competition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 11:51:58 GMT -5
That is not a choice? A choice by club, coach and player? Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but the only person who has a choice where she wants to play is Landfair, if she feels USAV is that important then it is very easy for her to put herself in a situation where she could compete against those players. Until recently rb was allowed to be a part of USAV only as a chaperone but was not permitted to coach - hence why JVA was created. Since he is now banned from that as well this problem could be solved by absolving himself completely from coaching, including being at the facility as if they registered USAV he could not do that either. Erik Vogt is her high school coach and a top person at SPRI, so unless he can convince rb to leave or he goes to another club he also does not have a choice. So no, USAV is not a choice for the club as long as rb wants to coach, not an option for Erik as long as he coaches at SPRI, and not an option for Landfair as long as she continues to play for SPRI. My response was specifically to a SPRI-bot (with 3 posts) who said: "A kid like Landfair at SPRI is on the verge of developing into a superstar and none of those WCPL players are going to see her across the net. In past years all those players would have competed against each other multiple times. S-S-S (selfish, stupid & sad)! " I found that ironic since SPRI has intentionally avoided top caliber competition for decades now, so I called BS. There is nothing that says SPRI teams not coached by RB can't play USAV, and their boys have done it, but the "club" chooses not to allow any girls teams to play any USAV events or even to play in any crossover events such as the NIT. Our club has played virtually every top JVA-only team except for SPRI. People have argued here that there are many good coaches at SPRI and that it is much bigger than just RB. What reason does the rest of the staff have for avoiding all contact with USAV teams? None. As long as all decisions at SPRI are made exclusively in the best interests of RB over the staff and players, then SPRI and RB are one and the same, arguments to the contrary not withstanding. That means SPRI as a club has made a choice, staff that works there have made a choice and players playing there have made a choice. A choice that the interests of a coach banned by the governing body of his sport and also banned by the very organization he started to get around his ban, is far more important than the best interest of the players, the staff, the club, and the greater good of the sport. S-S-S.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 11:53:13 GMT -5
Is this the same SPRI that has prevented a player like Landfair from playing against all the top quality players in USAV qualifiers and the GJNC? Even with a qualifier in Chicago and the GJNC within driving distance each of the past 3 years? Seems like a very odd complaint that teams won't come to play SPRI when SPRI makes no effort to play the best when they are right in their own backyard. S-S-S? Not arguing with your post, but isn't the whole "USAV vs JVA competition" applicable to any club and any player that does ONLY USAV or ONLY JVA? There has certainly been top competition at both national tournaments the past few years with some clubs that do both. Put aside power league, since there are many top clubs in the country that do not even participate in a power league format in their respective areas. But most clubs will find the best competition to play regardless if it is USAV, JVA, or AAU sanctioned, so I do not think that any club that does not participate in any USAV events is preventing players from playing good competition. No, I as wrote above. Our club has played every top JVA-only team except SPRI. There are non-USAV crossover tourneys, and they have so far avoided them. Edit to add: Plus, as I noted in my original post, the competition already comes to them. The travel cost argument just doesn't fly. There is a qualifier literally in Chicago, but they won't play in it. The championships have been driving distance for 3 years in a row, but they have instead flown to Orlando. There is no legitimate reason to hold their teams out of that competition other than RB.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 20, 2018 11:58:39 GMT -5
Is this the same SPRI that has prevented a player like Landfair from playing against all the top quality players in USAV qualifiers and the GJNC? Even with a qualifier in Chicago and the GJNC within driving distance each of the past 3 years? Seems like a very odd complaint that teams won't come to play SPRI when SPRI makes no effort to play the best when they are right in their own backyard. S-S-S? Not arguing with your post, but isn't the whole "USAV vs JVA competition" applicable to any club and any player that does ONLY USAV or ONLY JVA? There has certainly been top competition at both national tournaments the past few years with some clubs that do both. Put aside power league, since there are many top clubs in the country that do not even participate in a power league format in their respective areas. But most clubs will find the best competition to play regardless if it is USAV, JVA, or AAU sanctioned, so I do not think that any club that does not participate in any USAV events is preventing players from playing good competition. Totally agree as the competition has leveled out over the years, however I was disputing that SPRI as an entity does not have a choice of participating in USAV as long as rb wants to coach and is involved in regular practices. Landfair ultimately can control her own destiny, so as I said before if she chooses that USAV competition is important to her there are more than enough other options for her to do so.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 20, 2018 12:09:38 GMT -5
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but the only person who has a choice where she wants to play is Landfair, if she feels USAV is that important then it is very easy for her to put herself in a situation where she could compete against those players. Until recently rb was allowed to be a part of USAV only as a chaperone but was not permitted to coach - hence why JVA was created. Since he is now banned from that as well this problem could be solved by absolving himself completely from coaching, including being at the facility as if they registered USAV he could not do that either. Erik Vogt is her high school coach and a top person at SPRI, so unless he can convince rb to leave or he goes to another club he also does not have a choice. So no, USAV is not a choice for the club as long as rb wants to coach, not an option for Erik as long as he coaches at SPRI, and not an option for Landfair as long as she continues to play for SPRI. My response was specifically to a SPRI-bot (with 3 posts) who said: "A kid like Landfair at SPRI is on the verge of developing into a superstar and none of those WCPL players are going to see her across the net. In past years all those players would have competed against each other multiple times. S-S-S (selfish, stupid & sad)! " I found that ironic since SPRI has intentionally avoided top caliber competition for decades now, so I called BS. There is nothing that says SPRI teams not coached by RB can't play USAV, and their boys have done it, but the "club" chooses not to allow any girls teams to play any USAV events or even to play in any crossover events such as the NIT. Our club has played virtually every top JVA-only team except for SPRI. People have argued here that there are many good coaches at SPRI and that it is much bigger than just RB. What reason does the rest of the staff have for avoiding all contact with USAV teams? None. As long as all decisions at SPRI are made exclusively in the best interests of RB over the staff and players, then SPRI and RB are one and the same, arguments to the contrary not withstanding. That means SPRI as a club has made a choice, staff that works there have made a choice and players playing there have made a choice. A choice that the interests of a coach banned by the governing body of his sport and also banned by the very organization he started to get around his ban, is far more important than the best interest of the players, the staff, the club, and the greater good of the sport. S-S-S. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe once SPRI registers USAV rb can not be in the gym for practices either. So like I said before as long as rb wants to be involved coaching they do not have a choice to register and play in ANYTHING related to, or sanctioned by, USAV. So even if teams not coached by rb (which is all of them now) can not participate in USAV events as long as they are not registered with USAV because it would require the club to register as such. As others have said before, rb is the heart and soul of the club and its development - so if he leaves does SPRI still put out the same product if he is not there to continue overseeing practices and writing practice plans? I am very interested to see how the first week of GLPL goes as it should be coming up in a couple weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 13:54:39 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't derail from the already derailed initial topic ... but does anyone know if the SPVB Pres Day Challenge is also seeing a similar boycott this year? My club is sending a couple of teams and I would like to urge the owners to not send them there. Seems like 130 (40 SP) teams so far according to AES, but is that normal for this time of year? Couldn't see how many teams were entered in 2017 and 2018. Any other Pres Day tournaments I could suggest for them to attend in lieu of? Per AES 349 in 2017 (80ish clubs) and 343 (71 clubs) in 2018. AES is now showing 127 teams (30 clubs) for 2019. Nike President's Day tourney registration still appears open: www.advancedeventsystems.com/events/15814/divisions
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Post by JohnnyDrama on Dec 20, 2018 14:38:26 GMT -5
Not arguing with your post, but isn't the whole "USAV vs JVA competition" applicable to any club and any player that does ONLY USAV or ONLY JVA? There has certainly been top competition at both national tournaments the past few years with some clubs that do both. Put aside power league, since there are many top clubs in the country that do not even participate in a power league format in their respective areas. But most clubs will find the best competition to play regardless if it is USAV, JVA, or AAU sanctioned, so I do not think that any club that does not participate in any USAV events is preventing players from playing good competition. No, I as wrote above. Our club has played every top JVA-only team except SPRI. There are non-USAV crossover tourneys, and they have so far avoided them. Edit to add: Plus, as I noted in my original post, the competition already comes to them. The travel cost argument just doesn't fly. There is a qualifier literally in Chicago, but they won't play in it. The championships have been driving distance for 3 years in a row, but they have instead flown to Orlando. There is no legitimate reason to hold their teams out of that competition other than RB. Is it “avoiding” or just going with the norm of what one always does? If you look back at most clubs schedules they are usually in the same tournaments every single year regardless of affiliation. Somewhat makes year to year scheduling easy if you know every single year when and where you’re going to play. It is a well known fact that spri hasn’t gone to any girls USAV tounements in a decade so why should this year be any different of a focus? Plus one could argue that USAV tournaments aren’t always the most smoothly run, stay to play policies add to the cost of travel, chasing qualifiers, roster locks limiting flexibility, etc. We could, again, add that their is the qualifier in Chicago. But again, spri hasn’t played in a USAV event in a decade and has done pretty well since then. And many clubs have done well even not playing spri teams. Teams just have to choose as if they’re choosing PlayStation vs XBox. Some have both, but most only do one. And there’s plenty of good local and non local tournaments (games) in each platform that provide steady competition for all levels.
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Post by eazy on Dec 20, 2018 15:44:12 GMT -5
No, I as wrote above. Our club has played every top JVA-only team except SPRI. There are non-USAV crossover tourneys, and they have so far avoided them. Edit to add: Plus, as I noted in my original post, the competition already comes to them. The travel cost argument just doesn't fly. There is a qualifier literally in Chicago, but they won't play in it. The championships have been driving distance for 3 years in a row, but they have instead flown to Orlando. There is no legitimate reason to hold their teams out of that competition other than RB. Is it “avoiding” or just going with the norm of what one always does? If you look back at most clubs schedules they are usually in the same tournaments every single year regardless of affiliation. Somewhat makes year to year scheduling easy if you know every single year when and where you’re going to play. It is a well known fact that spri hasn’t gone to any girls USAV tounements in a decade so why should this year be any different of a focus? Plus one could argue that USAV tournaments aren’t always the most smoothly run, stay to play policies add to the cost of travel, chasing qualifiers, roster locks limiting flexibility, etc. We could, again, add that their is the qualifier in Chicago. But again, spri hasn’t played in a USAV event in a decade and has done pretty well since then. And many clubs have done well even not playing spri teams. Teams just have to choose as if they’re choosing PlayStation vs XBox. Some have both, but most only do one. And there’s plenty of good local and non local tournaments (games) in each platform that provide steady competition for all levels. A post like this is just begging Wolfgang to break into this thread like Kool-Aid Man..
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