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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 31, 2018 14:10:47 GMT -5
All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard.
Butler will sue. The thought has always been he will never sue because he would have to go under oath in court.
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Post by azvb on May 31, 2018 14:37:30 GMT -5
The thought has always been he will never sue because he would have to go under oath in court. Pretty sure “under oath” means nothing to him. Weasel I’m sure this has been answered in a RB thread somewhere, but why haven’t these ladies filed a civil suit against him? Lawsuits cost $$$, I realize. Maybe that’s the reason,
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 31, 2018 14:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by azvb on May 31, 2018 14:49:41 GMT -5
Thanks. Thought that was for a criminal trial. Didn’t know it included civil trials.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 31, 2018 14:59:31 GMT -5
Thanks. Thought that was for a criminal trial. Didn’t know it included civil trials. Yeah, most civil torts have statutes of limitations, too. Which makes sense. Say someone slips and falls on your icy front walk, and injures themselves, but they don't sue you right away. A year or so goes by, and you haven't heard from them. You shouldn't have to sit there for the rest of your life, fretting over whether they're going to sue. The issue with statutes of limitations on child sex abuse is that often the victims need a long time to deal with the trauma and get to a place where they can consider whether pressing charges or filing a civil suit is the way they want to go. Many times they're under the control of adults who prevent them from suing. Even after they are technically adults, they may spend many more years financially dependent on people who are exercising some measure of control over them, and who are preventing them from working through their trauma - especially if the abuser is a family member or close family friend. One of the post-Nasser bills in Michigan proposes to increase the statute of limitations to 30 years for sexual assault committed against an adult, and the age of 38 48 (so 30 years after legal adulthood) for sexual assault of a child. It's a good move, IMO.
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Post by stevehorn on May 31, 2018 15:38:14 GMT -5
Hope I didn't imply that this wasn't a positive. Just saying that for it to have a significant impact, it must have that ripple effect and a big one. Those must be actions that hit his bottom line as a club owner.
I would say the following items are having a significant impact. 1) Banned from USA Vollleyball 2) Banned from AAU 3) Banned from JVA 4) Teams dropping out of his Power League 5) New power league forming for next season - many teams are moving to the new power league next season 6) Japan is now aware he was banned from the above organization (this was not know when they invited his team to play this year) 7) Summer Camps no longer want to be affiliated with him 8) Walt Disney Resorts bans controversial volleyball coach Rick Butler 9) A few SP coaches and players are looking for new clubs for next season 10) Cheryl is not happy with all of the above All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard.
My point is that your #8 by itself would have no significant impact on his bottom line. It must be followed by items like your #4, 5, 7, & 9 to significantly impact the bottom line.
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Post by FreeBall on May 31, 2018 15:42:41 GMT -5
One of the post-Nasser bills in Michigan proposes to increase the statute of limitations to 30 years for sexual assault committed against an adult, and the age of 38 (so 30 years after legal adulthood) for sexual assault of a child. It's a good move, IMO. The math doesn't seem to work on the highlighted part of your post. Age 48, or 20 years after adulthood?
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 31, 2018 16:15:50 GMT -5
One of the post-Nasser bills in Michigan proposes to increase the statute of limitations to 30 years for sexual assault committed against an adult, and the age of 38 (so 30 years after legal adulthood) for sexual assault of a child. It's a good move, IMO. The math doesn't seem to work on the highlighted part of your post. Age 48, or 20 years after adulthood? Age 48. I cannot math.
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Post by stevehorn on May 31, 2018 16:34:13 GMT -5
Thanks. Thought that was for a criminal trial. Didn’t know it included civil trials. Yeah, most civil torts have statutes of limitations, too. Which makes sense. Say someone slips and falls on your icy front walk, and injures themselves, but they don't sue you right away. A year or so goes by, and you haven't heard from them. You shouldn't have to sit there for the rest of your life, fretting over whether they're going to sue. The issue with statutes of limitations on child sex abuse is that often the victims need a long time to deal with the trauma and get to a place where they can consider whether pressing charges or filing a civil suit is the way they want to go. Many times they're under the control of adults who prevent them from suing. Even after they are technically adults, they may spend many more years financially dependent on people who are exercising some measure of control over them, and who are preventing them from working through their trauma - especially if the abuser is a family member or close family friend. One of the post-Nasser bills in Michigan proposes to increase the statute of limitations to 30 years for sexual assault committed against an adult, and the age of 38 48 (so 30 years after legal adulthood) for sexual assault of a child. It's a good move, IMO.
There is certainly the need for the increased statute of limitations for the reasons stated. In many cases, the statute is passed even before the victim becomes an adult. One thing I wonder is how difficult will it be to prosecute an old case if there was no criminal report and investigation at the time and therefore very likely no physical evidence and becomes a case of who do you believe.
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Post by bigfan on May 31, 2018 17:35:44 GMT -5
Do you really think Butler will not show up, even in some kind of disguise to see if this edict is enforced.
Butler will be there, the question is will he be asked to leave.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 31, 2018 18:11:14 GMT -5
Do you really think Butler will not show up, even in some kind of disguise to see if this edict is enforced. Butler will be there, the question is will he be asked to leave. Reading this, I pictured him wearing a fake nose and glasses a la Mets manager Bobby Valentine.
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Post by vbfanantic on May 31, 2018 19:54:44 GMT -5
I would say the following items are having a significant impact. 1) Banned from USA Vollleyball 2) Banned from AAU 3) Banned from JVA 4) Teams dropping out of his Power League 5) New power league forming for next season - many teams are moving to the new power league next season 6) Japan is now aware he was banned from the above organization (this was not know when they invited his team to play this year) 7) Summer Camps no longer want to be affiliated with him 8) Walt Disney Resorts bans controversial volleyball coach Rick Butler 9) A few SP coaches and players are looking for new clubs for next season 10) Cheryl is not happy with all of the above All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard. I venture to guess that Brazil is starting to look more attractive for them...I hope they have been notified as well. Maybe one of these places? Which one would be the best? These countries currently have no extradition treaty with the United States: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, Mainland China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 1, 2018 5:27:16 GMT -5
He’s past the criminal statute of limitations.
I don’t know that anybody here thinks he’s *still* sexually abusing minors.
So IDK how much extradition would factor.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jun 1, 2018 7:47:00 GMT -5
Do you really think Butler will not show up, even in some kind of disguise to see if this edict is enforced. Butler will be there, the question is will he be asked to leave. In Florida yes, at WWS or OCCC no way. Some parent or SPVB coach will live stream it and that's how he will watch, we all know he is arrogant but going into those venues after DISNEY made that public of a statement would just be foolish even for him. It would be like he was baiting them and calling their bluff at which point I think it would anger them to the point they would then not allow any teams from his club to register in future events, and even possible arrest him for trespassing.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 1, 2018 11:06:34 GMT -5
It would be like he was baiting them and calling their bluff at which point I think it would anger them to the point............. Is he not already baiting them and angering them?
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