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Post by trainermch on May 30, 2018 21:46:16 GMT -5
Get OUT! (...that's what they said) You know he never expected this. Thank you, Disney Resorts!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 23:05:09 GMT -5
THIS is what is going to keep on happening to Butler, from now on. Both economic and public relations pressure on youth vb's corporate sponsors is turning the tide. His ego must be hurting!
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Post by stevehorn on May 31, 2018 8:45:25 GMT -5
THIS is what is going to keep on happening to Butler, from now on. Both economic and public relations pressure on youth vb's corporate sponsors is turning the tide. His ego must be hurting!
While a good public step, this probably accomplishes little if the end game is to remove him from the sport. The more important steps IMO would be clubs refusing to participate in events at his club or even refusing to play in events with a team from his club as long as he remains the owner. It would have been a more impactful step if the AAU refused to allow any team from his club to play in the tournament. Banning him from the facility makes for a nice story, but realistically has little to no impact on his bottom line.
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Post by trainermch on May 31, 2018 9:51:02 GMT -5
THIS is what is going to keep on happening to Butler, from now on. Both economic and public relations pressure on youth vb's corporate sponsors is turning the tide. His ego must be hurting!
While a good public step, this probably accomplishes little if the end game is to remove him from the sport. The more important steps IMO would be clubs refusing to participate in events at his club or even refusing to play in events with a team from his club as long as he remains the owner. It would have been a more impactful step if the AAU refused to allow any team from his club to play in the tournament. Banning him from the facility makes for a nice story, but realistically has little to no impact on his bottom line.
It's a chip away with the chisel. A very public step in the right direction is a positive. Disney's making a statement like this can be quite impactful. (Also the shaming of such a character is a big blow to their superior, untouchable images of themselves.) It will be interesting to watch the eventual ripple effect. This will have a greater impact than you are acknowledging. I called it.
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Post by dman on May 31, 2018 10:25:54 GMT -5
While a good public step, this probably accomplishes little if the end game is to remove him from the sport. The more important steps IMO would be clubs refusing to participate in events at his club or even refusing to play in events with a team from his club as long as he remains the owner. It would have been a more impactful step if the AAU refused to allow any team from his club to play in the tournament. Banning him from the facility makes for a nice story, but realistically has little to no impact on his bottom line.
It's a chip away with the chisel. A very public step in the right direction is a positive. Disney's making a statement like this can be quite impactful. (Also the shaming of such a character is a big blow to their superior, untouchable images of themselves.) It will be interesting to watch the eventual ripple effect. This will have a greater impact than you are acknowledging. I called it. Definitely agree! Can you imagine the pressure that is now on the clubs that decide to participate in SPR tournaments come next year?? Will be a bad look for all involved....
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Post by salsolomon on May 31, 2018 10:45:33 GMT -5
Some very positive things here: 1. He is no longer able to even be present at the national championships (forget about coaching from the crowd or other sketchy workarounds). 2. Disney's action shows that it is possible to ban him from a venue, regardless of whether he's been convicted of anything. Just going by this board, there was some disagreement here about whether a venue could bar him from attending events.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 31, 2018 10:59:43 GMT -5
It also helps chip away at his power in that there are going to be plenty of college coaches recruiting at AAUs, and they won't be able to talk to him during the day while they're there. If they want to talk to him in person, they'll have to arrange to do so off-site. It's one less way he can be THE conduit for his players, a small reduction of his influence.
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Post by stevehorn on May 31, 2018 11:06:10 GMT -5
While a good public step, this probably accomplishes little if the end game is to remove him from the sport. The more important steps IMO would be clubs refusing to participate in events at his club or even refusing to play in events with a team from his club as long as he remains the owner. It would have been a more impactful step if the AAU refused to allow any team from his club to play in the tournament. Banning him from the facility makes for a nice story, but realistically has little to no impact on his bottom line.
It's a chip away with the chisel. A very public step in the right direction is a positive. Disney's making a statement like this can be quite impactful. (Also the shaming of such a character is a big blow to their superior, untouchable images of themselves.) It will be interesting to watch the eventual ripple effect. This will have a greater impact than you are acknowledging. I called it.
Hope I didn't imply that this wasn't a positive. Just saying that for it to have a significant impact, it must have that ripple effect and a big one. Those must be actions that hit his bottom line as a club owner.
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Post by why on May 31, 2018 12:54:20 GMT -5
It's a chip away with the chisel. A very public step in the right direction is a positive. Disney's making a statement like this can be quite impactful. (Also the shaming of such a character is a big blow to their superior, untouchable images of themselves.) It will be interesting to watch the eventual ripple effect. This will have a greater impact than you are acknowledging. I called it.
Hope I didn't imply that this wasn't a positive. Just saying that for it to have a significant impact, it must have that ripple effect and a big one. Those must be actions that hit his bottom line as a club owner.
I would say the following items are having a significant impact. 1) Banned from USA Vollleyball 2) Banned from AAU 3) Banned from JVA 4) Teams dropping out of his Power League 5) New power league forming for next season - many teams are moving to the new power league next season 6) Japan is now aware he was banned from the above organization (this was not know when they invited his team to play this year) 7) Summer Camps no longer want to be affiliated with him 8) Walt Disney Resorts bans controversial volleyball coach Rick Butler 9) A few SP coaches and players are looking for new clubs for next season 10) Cheryl is not happy with all of the above All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard.
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Post by swimrowvball on May 31, 2018 13:02:37 GMT -5
Hope I didn't imply that this wasn't a positive.Ā Ā Just saying that for it to have a significant impact, it must haveĀ that ripple effect and a big one.Ā Ā Those must be actions that hit his bottom line asĀ a club owner.Ā Ā Ā
I would say the following items are having a significant impact. 1) Banned from USA VollleyballĀ 2) Banned from AAU 3) Banned from JVA 4) Teams dropping out of his Power League 5) New power league forming for next season - many teams are moving to the new power league next season 6) Japan is now aware he was banned from the above organization (this was not know when they invited his team to play this year) 7) Summer Camps no longer want to be affiliated with himĀ 8) Walt Disney Resorts bans controversial volleyball coach Rick Butler 9) A few SP coaches and players are looking for new clubs for next season 10) Cheryl is not happy with all of the aboveĀ All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard.Ā Ā I venture to guess that Brazil is starting to look more attractive for them...I hope they have been notified as well.
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Post by bigfan on May 31, 2018 13:14:12 GMT -5
All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard.
Butler will sue.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 31, 2018 13:27:33 GMT -5
All of the items listed above plus a few more will hit the bottom line hard.
Butler will sue. Sue whom? And on what grounds? He's a limited purpose public figure, so there's a fairly high burden for him to prove defamation. He'd have to go to trial, which would mean discovery and depositions. Does he really want to be questioned under oath, on the record, about his sexual history with these players? I don't think so.
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Post by bigfan on May 31, 2018 13:28:58 GMT -5
Sue whom? And on what grounds? He's a limited purpose public figure, so there's a fairly high burden for him to prove defamation. He'd have to go to trial, which would mean discovery and depositions. Does he really want to be questioned under oath, on the record, about his sexual history with these players? I don't think so. Are you telling me that you have not realized that Butler is a delusional man?
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Post by salsolomon on May 31, 2018 13:34:14 GMT -5
Who do you think Butler will sue? Disney is free to exclude anyone from their property that they want. As rainbowbadger said, there is no way his lawyer would let him sue.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 31, 2018 14:06:02 GMT -5
Sue whom? And on what grounds? He's a limited purpose public figure, so there's a fairly high burden for him to prove defamation. He'd have to go to trial, which would mean discovery and depositions. Does he really want to be questioned under oath, on the record, about his sexual history with these players? I don't think so. Are you telling me that you have not realized that Butler is a delusional man? I'm aware that he's delusional in this context. But lawsuits cost money. Lots of money. Is he really going to take on a group with deep pockets like this? AAU? Disney? I don't think so.
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