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Post by guest2 on Jul 14, 2018 11:50:00 GMT -5
Ateam moves forward.Future looks good.Hope no more injuries for Alix for rest of season. They're not dominating immediately and should split. There's no such thing as a process or practice to get better. They've peaked and there's no room for improvement. Its nice to remove all nuance from a conversation. "Not dominating immediately?" April and Alix got together in November. Thats nine months. Thats not immediately by any standard. Judging a team 9 months in is not premature and right now Alix is not getting it done. The one unknown is how much Alix' injury is affecting her so maybe their long term poor play is partially down to that, but they didn't have one bad event, they have played poorly all year. (For the record I am inclined to believe Alix' injury is a cause) There is room for improvement sure, but they aren't improving, they are getting worse. Alix has been awful for most of the year and more awful recently. She was terrible in Huntington, played poorly in Austin, was not good in NY and was thoroughly whipped in Seattle by Urango/Ledoux. That loss was an embarassment. Lose to Caitlin/Geena in 3 close sets and maybe you had an off day and they played over their heads. but in 2 and by a lot? I dont think April has ever lost to either woman before. April and any of her temp partners of the last 4 years (Pavs/Fopma/Fendi) win that in a walk. Then they played ok in the early rounds here, but got smoked by Pavan/MHP, who they had previously played close. Should they break up? Yes, but April won't play with Kerri, with whom she could win right now. If the question becomes should they break up for anyone but Kerri, the answer is probably no, but this is also not a team that is right on track. Every day it takes Alix to get up to speed, April is one day older, and she is not young now
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Post by hustleslowly on Jul 14, 2018 12:02:47 GMT -5
They're not dominating immediately and should split. There's no such thing as a process or practice to get better. They've peaked and there's no room for improvement. Its nice to remove all nuance from a conversation. "Not dominating immediately?" April and Alix got together in November. Thats nine months. Thats not immediately by any standard. Judging a team 9 months in is not premature and right now Alix is not getting it done. The one unknown is how much Alix' injury is affecting her so maybe their long term poor play is partially down to that, but they didn't have one bad event, they have played poorly all year. (For the record I am inclined to believe Alix' injury is a cause) There is room for improvement sure, but they aren't improving, they are getting worse. Alix has been awful for most of the year and more awful recently. She was terrible in Huntington, played poorly in Austin, was not good in NY and was thoroughly whipped in Seattle by Urango/Ledoux. That loss was an embarassment. Lose to Caitlin/Geena in 3 close sets and maybe you had an off day and they played over their heads. but in 2 and by a lot? I dont think April has ever lost to either woman before. April and any of her temp partners of the last 4 years (Pavs/Fopma/Fendi) win that in a walk. Then they played ok in the early rounds here, but got smoked by Pavan/MHP, who they had previously played close. Should they break up? Yes, but April won't play with Kerri, with whom she could win right now. If the question becomes should they break up for anyone but Kerri, the answer is probably no, but this is also not a team that is right on track. Every day it takes Alix to get up to speed, April is one day older, and she is not young now So you can judge a team in nine months, but then you believe Alix's injury is a cause for their bad showings. And you think they should break up for their poor showings that are partly caused by said injury, but can't name a partner for her other than Kerri right now. This has always been a long term project for the next Olympics. I expect April to reserve judgement until Alix is healthy and whether or not she's improving in practice and taking those improvements into tournaments. I think as a whole, we expect a lot too fast for younger players and new partnerships.
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Post by donnyw on Jul 14, 2018 12:18:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know the source of Alixs shoulder discomfort. Is it something she will have to have surgery on after 2020? I don’t think Alix looks injured. She just hits out a lot. She is definitely hitting the ball a lot harder than say Kerri...She hasn’t played on the FIVB that long...I think they’ll be fine. Like I said earlier, this tour is not the AVP. These are the big dogs.. L
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Post by guest2 on Jul 14, 2018 12:24:06 GMT -5
Its nice to remove all nuance from a conversation. So you can judge a team in nine months, but then you believe Alix's injury is a cause for their bad showings. And you think they should break up for their poor showings that are partly caused by said injury, but can't name a partner for her other than Kerri right now. This has always been a long term project for the next Olympics. I expect April to reserve judgement until Alix is healthy and whether or not she's improving in practice and taking those improvements into tournaments. I think as a whole, we expect a lot too fast for younger players and new partnerships. Pretty sure I just said if April won't play with Kerri, that they should stay together, but that doesn't make them good. They should break up because Kerri is a much better player than Alix (and whatever the state of Alix' shoulder its in better shape than Kerri's) Also Alix is not young, and this is not a new partnership. Alix is older than Summer Ross, Flint, Larsen, Hughes, Claes and is the same age as Urango, Lane and Ledoux. Of the current US teams, do you know how many have been together longer than April/Alix? One. (KW/NB) Every other US team in the FIVB conversation played their first event together in April (and were with other partners in March) The idea that teams take years to gel is just made up and is not supported by BVB history. I don't know why people keep advancing an idea that is so clearly not correct.
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Post by tamz on Jul 14, 2018 12:24:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know the source of Alixs shoulder discomfort. Is it something she will have to have surgery on after 2020? I don’t think Alix looks injured. She just hits out a lot. She is definitely hitting the ball a lot harder than say Kerri...She hasn’t played on the FIVB that long...I think they’ll be fine. Like I said earlier, this tour is not the AVP. These are the big dogs.. L I thought it was just a flare up... Gstaad was their 5th tournament on FIVB. They have one gold, two 5ths, one 9th, and one 25th. If you think of it that way, it’s actually not as bad as some other teams *cough cough Sara and Summer*
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Post by guest2 on Jul 14, 2018 12:24:45 GMT -5
Does anyone know the source of Alixs shoulder discomfort. Is it something she will have to have surgery on after 2020? I don’t think Alix looks injured. She just hits out a lot. She is definitely hitting the ball a lot harder than say Kerri...She hasn’t played on the FIVB that long...I think they’ll be fine. Like I said earlier, this tour is not the AVP. These are the big dogs.. L She has been worse on the AVP
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Post by guest2 on Jul 14, 2018 12:26:29 GMT -5
Does anyone know the source of Alixs shoulder discomfort. Is it something she will have to have surgery on after 2020? I don’t think Alix looks injured. She just hits out a lot. She is definitely hitting the ball a lot harder than say Kerri...She hasn’t played on the FIVB that long...I think they’ll be fine. Like I said earlier, this tour is not the AVP. These are the big dogs.. L I thought it was just a flare up... Gstaad was their 5th tournament on FIVB. They have one gold, two 5ths, one 9th, and one 25th. If you think of it that way, it’s actually not as bad as some other teams *cough cough Sara and Summer* Defintely not as bad as some, but the question is, how representative is that Gold in the Hague. If its aberrational (offseason, indoor event, no one had ever seen Alix before) then they have had a horrible season. If its somewhat representative - best case - then they have had a decent season
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Post by ts89yahoo on Jul 14, 2018 12:37:39 GMT -5
They lost to LeDoux and Urango in a watered down AVP. LeDoux actually is solid but Urango? She never even sniffs championship Sunday.
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Post by donnyw on Jul 14, 2018 12:49:10 GMT -5
So you can judge a team in nine months, but then you believe Alix's injury is a cause for their bad showings. And you think they should break up for their poor showings that are partly caused by said injury, but can't name a partner for her other than Kerri right now. This has always been a long term project for the next Olympics. I expect April to reserve judgement until Alix is healthy and whether or not she's improving in practice and taking those improvements into tournaments. I think as a whole, we expect a lot too fast for younger players and new partnerships. Pretty sure I just said if April won't play with Kerri, that they should stay together, but that doesn't make them good. They should break up because Kerri is a much better player than Alix (and whatever the state of Alix' shoulder its in better shape than Kerri's) Also Alix is not young, and this is not a new partnership. Alix is older than Summer Ross, Flint, Larsen, Hughes, Claes and is the same age as Urango, Lane and Ledoux. Of the current US teams, do you know how many have been together longer than April/Alix? One. (KW/NB) Every other US team in the FIVB conversation played their first event together in April (and were with other partners in March) The idea that teams take years to gel is just made up and is not supported by BVB history. I don't know why people keep advancing an idea that is so clearly not correct. April & Alix beat the team of Kerri & Nicole 10 out 10 presently...Not sure if I would give the edge to Kerri over Alix at this time...Like Someone earlier in this thread, the way Kerri & Nicole are playing right now, not sure I’d waste the time go all the way overseas to play the CQ against Larsen & Stockman...
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Post by donnyw on Jul 14, 2018 12:51:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know the source of Alixs shoulder discomfort. Is it something she will have to have surgery on after 2020? I don’t think Alix looks injured. She just hits out a lot. She is definitely hitting the ball a lot harder than say Kerri...She hasn’t played on the FIVB that long...I think they’ll be fine. Like I said earlier, this tour is not the AVP. These are the big dogs.. L I thought it was just a flare up... Gstaad was their 5th tournament on FIVB. They have one gold, two 5ths, one 9th, and one 25th. If you think of it that way, it’s actually not as bad as some other teams *cough cough Sara and Summer* Although Sara & Summer Have That 🥉against a full FIVB field except April & Alix...But I won’t get into all the issues I see with the 2 S team...At least with the team of Kerri & Nicole, no one had huge expectations of them except them..
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Post by ts89yahoo on Jul 14, 2018 12:56:57 GMT -5
I thought it was just a flare up... Gstaad was their 5th tournament on FIVB. They have one gold, two 5ths, one 9th, and one 25th. If you think of it that way, it’s actually not as bad as some other teams *cough cough Sara and Summer* Although Sara & Summer Have That 🥉against a full FIVB field except April & Alix...But I won’t get into all the issues I see with the 2 S team...At least with the team of Kerri & Nicole, no one had huge expectations of them except them.. Didn’t they beat pretty much no one in that one?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 13:19:21 GMT -5
April and Alix only won that Gold because it was their first tournament and all the other teams knew nothing about them and that was played indoor.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 14, 2018 13:19:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure I just said if April won't play with Kerri, that they should stay together, but that doesn't make them good. They should break up because Kerri is a much better player than Alix (and whatever the state of Alix' shoulder its in better shape than Kerri's) Also Alix is not young, and this is not a new partnership. Alix is older than Summer Ross, Flint, Larsen, Hughes, Claes and is the same age as Urango, Lane and Ledoux. Of the current US teams, do you know how many have been together longer than April/Alix? One. (KW/NB) Every other US team in the FIVB conversation played their first event together in April (and were with other partners in March) The idea that teams take years to gel is just made up and is not supported by BVB history. I don't know why people keep advancing an idea that is so clearly not correct. April & Alix beat the team of Kerri & Nicole 10 out 10 presently...Not sure if I would give the edge to Kerri over Alix at this time...Like Someone earlier in this thread, the way Kerri & Nicole are playing right now, not sure I’d waste the time go all the way overseas to play the CQ against Larsen & Stockman... Like they beat Nicole and Brandi? Or Geena/Caitlin? Can you imagine April/Kerri losing those matches? April/Kerri beat LL/KW with Kerri playing left handed. That same team is going to lose to Geena Urango? Get out of here with that nonsense Right now the only thing Alix does better than Kerri is hit from off the net. Kerri is better at every other skill and moves better as well
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Post by iowasurfer on Jul 14, 2018 13:40:18 GMT -5
Does anyone know the source of Alixs shoulder discomfort. Is it something she will have to have surgery on after 2020? I don’t think Alix looks injured. She just hits out a lot. She is definitely hitting the ball a lot harder than say Kerri...She hasn’t played on the FIVB that long...I think they’ll be fine. Like I said earlier, this tour is not the AVP. These are the big dogs.. L I thought it was just a flare up... Gstaad was their 5th tournament on FIVB. They have one gold, two 5ths, one 9th, and one 25th. If you think of it that way, it’s actually not as bad as some other teams *cough cough Sara and Summer* The learning process is BABY STEPS... Maybe she is better sooner.But either way,my opinion a bit too early to say.
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Post by ajm on Jul 14, 2018 13:40:51 GMT -5
I thought it was just a flare up... Gstaad was their 5th tournament on FIVB. They have one gold, two 5ths, one 9th, and one 25th. If you think of it that way, it’s actually not as bad as some other teams *cough cough Sara and Summer* Defintely not as bad as some, but the question is, how representative is that Gold in the Hague. If its aberrational (offseason, indoor event, no one had ever seen Alix before) then they have had a horrible season. If its somewhat representative - best case - then they have had a decent season Don’t forget, The Hague also used the block-plus-three rule which benefitted Alix greatly. It’s been over a month since Alix’s shoulder injury was first reported. If it is still affecting her, that’s not a good sign at all, especially having not played that many games recently. Problem is (like Kerri) she doesn’t have time to have surgery before the Olympic qualification period begins. Or maybe she just needs a good month or two of rest and rehab and they are just waiting until the end of the year and hoping she’ll be 100% in early 2019. But if that’s the case maybe it’s better to just get it surgically repaired now.
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