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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 6:08:47 GMT -5
1. Turkey (though only the top 4 teams are battling it out for years) 2. Italy (more balanced competition amongst the teams) 3. Brazil (shorter girls but can slug it out) 4. Russia (used to be the best in Europe but financial constraints happened. Traveling from one city to another can be grueling.) 4. China (getting better every year. They might actually surpassed Russia by now) 5. Japan (the fast game can give some superstars a hard time to adjust) 5. Poland (tied with Japan, some young greats start in this arena) 6. Switzerland/Germany (jumping point of young pros) 7. Korea (heavily rely on foreigners but can train them physically and mentally to carry a team) 8. Puerto Rico (newly grad Players usually take this routecto get a look from better clubs) Others: France, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Finland, Bulgaria, Serbia, Peru, Greece, Romania. I think Korea belongs in front of Switzerland (who I don't think is even top 10 anymore) and probably Germany, but other than that this is a good and thorough list. Switzerland is too high on that list, yes. The top Swiss teams next season might be as good as some of the bottom third teams in the German or French league. The Swiss league is rather comparable with Spain, Finland, Greece, Hungary,... IMO. Usually, if a player shines in the Swiss League she might get signed by German or French league clubs as a next career step. Americans in Swiss League clubs: Sm'Aesch Pfeffingen: Taylor Tashima (Northwestern), Kristen Tupac (-Hahn) (Iowa State) TS Volley Düdingen: Sabel Moffett (Northwestern), Danielle Harbin (Arkansas) VC Kanti Schaffhausen: Chantale Riddle (New Mexico), Jessica Wagner (Tampa), Angela Veerman (-Lowak) (TAMU) Viteos NUC: Kyra Holt (Washington State), Tia Scambray (Washington), Martenne Bettendorf (Oregon) VBC Cheseaux: Cassie Baird, Sarah Schmid (both Denver) Genève Volley: Azariah Stahl (Purdue), Meg Riley (Miami (OH)), Caitlin DeWitt (LMU), Meredith Hardy (ETSU) German club rosters can be found here: inside.volleycountry.com/thread/6876-germany-vbl-1-bundesliga-2018-2019/French club rosters can be found here: www.volleyforums.fr/viewtopic.php?f=234&t=52075
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 8:12:34 GMT -5
Mind-blowing that Rhamat is going to Japan. There will be no development there...at all.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 8:14:59 GMT -5
Finally! I've been waiting forever to hear where she was going. Glad she gets to go where she wanted to! It'll be interesting to see how she develops as a player and whether or not playing in the Japanese league will really help her. Foluke seems to really enjoy playing there and she's one of our best middles. So we'll see! Foluke was one of our best middles before going there. She could run a slide. Rhamat cannot. Hope she gets what she's looking for, but not sure it was the right move.
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Post by jasonr on Jul 20, 2018 8:17:42 GMT -5
Mind-blowing that Rhamat is going to Japan. There will be no development there...at all. I don't think players necessarily consider, or weigh options, the same way fans do. It's not all about trying to develop for the USNT. There can be large discrepancies in the salaries offered, the cultural experience that attracts a particular player, etc. In the end, they're all doing what's in their best interests, as they should, as opposed to fulfilling some plan us random fans prefer.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 8:44:36 GMT -5
Mind-blowing that Rhamat is going to Japan. There will be no development there...at all. I don't think players necessarily consider, or weigh options, the same way fans do. It's not all about trying to develop for the USNT. There can be large discrepancies in the salaries offered, the cultural experience that attracts a particular player, etc. In the end, they're all doing what's in their best interests, as they should, as opposed to fulfilling some plan us random fans prefer. Very fair point. I am not discounting her desire for cultural enrichment, but she will not be challenged.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 10:13:40 GMT -5
Mind-blowing that Rhamat is going to Japan. There will be no development there...at all. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 10:23:54 GMT -5
Mind-blowing that Rhamat is going to Japan. There will be no development there...at all. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're correct, madam. I won't ask for you to elaborate, because I frankly don't care what you have to say.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 10:38:26 GMT -5
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're correct, madam. I won't ask for you to elaborate, because I frankly don't care what you have to say. I accept your acknowledgement that you don't know what you're talking about. It's very kind of you.
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Post by Incognito on Jul 20, 2018 11:11:54 GMT -5
As an Outside Hitter. Good for Cassie!! Happy for her.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 11:13:55 GMT -5
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're correct, madam. I won't ask for you to elaborate, because I frankly don't care what you have to say. You're a good sport. Gibbemeyer and Dixon each played in the Japanese V league early in their career (Dixon was injured there). While Japanese volleyball is not as strong over-all as it once was, there is still a very strong training culture and of course, the Japanese pioneered the fast tempo offense. I think it's a good move for any young player to spend a season in Japan. They get a lot of reps, well-rounded training in all the skills, great facilities and outstanding medical/physical care. I think that the experience will be very beneficial for Alhassan in improving her movement, her attacking connection (tempo and attack point) and general understanding of the game. Being treated like a rock star and the amazing food and culture are just cherries on top.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Jul 20, 2018 11:15:46 GMT -5
Which countries are the strongest leagues? 1. Turkey (though only the top 4 teams are battling it out for years) 2. Italy (more balanced competition amongst the teams) 3. Brazil (shorter girls but can slug it out) 4. Russia (used to be the best in Europe but financial constraints happened. Traveling from one city to another can be grueling.) 4. China (getting better every year. They might actually surpassed Russia by now) 5. Japan (the fast game can give some superstars a hard time to adjust) 5. Poland (tied with Japan, some young greats start in this arena) 6. Switzerland/Germany (jumping point of young pros) 7. Korea (heavily rely on foreigners but can train them physically and mentally to carry a team) 8. Puerto Rico (newly grad Players usually take this routecto get a look from better clubs) Others: France, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Finland, Bulgaria, Serbia, Peru, Greece, Romania. can someone break down how these leagues pay as well? Just curious
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 12:29:46 GMT -5
You're correct, madam. I won't ask for you to elaborate, because I frankly don't care what you have to say. You're a good sport. Gibbemeyer and Dixon each played in the Japanese V league early in their career (Dixon was injured there). While Japanese volleyball is not as strong over-all as it once was, there is still a very strong training culture and of course, the Japanese pioneered the fast tempo offense. I think it's a good move for any young player to spend a season in Japan. They get a lot of reps, well-rounded training in all the skills, great facilities and outstanding medical/physical care. I think that the experience will be very beneficial for Alhassan in improving her movement, her attacking connection (tempo and attack point) and general understanding of the game. Being treated like a rock star and the amazing food and culture are just cherries on top. And you're incorrect. She got lots of reps in college against competition that wasn't that much worse than Japan. Do you really think FL doesn't have good facilities and medical care? What Alhassan needs is to be pushed. She needs a higher expectation and a higher level of play. She cannot simply hit over people in Turkey or Italy; she would need to adapt. She can hit over people in Japan. she'll get fundamentals, but one would imagine, and be correct, that she's had that level of attention at FL. She needs more.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 12:55:45 GMT -5
You're a good sport. Gibbemeyer and Dixon each played in the Japanese V league early in their career (Dixon was injured there). While Japanese volleyball is not as strong over-all as it once was, there is still a very strong training culture and of course, the Japanese pioneered the fast tempo offense. I think it's a good move for any young player to spend a season in Japan. They get a lot of reps, well-rounded training in all the skills, great facilities and outstanding medical/physical care. I think that the experience will be very beneficial for Alhassan in improving her movement, her attacking connection (tempo and attack point) and general understanding of the game. Being treated like a rock star and the amazing food and culture are just cherries on top. And you're incorrect. She got lots of reps in college against competition that wasn't that much worse than Japan. Do you really think FL doesn't have good facilities and medical care? What Alhassan needs is to be pushed. She needs a higher expectation and a higher level of play. She cannot simply hit over people in Turkey or Italy; she would need to adapt. She can hit over people in Japan. she'll get fundamentals, but one would imagine, and be correct, that she's had that level of attention at FL. She needs more. Someone who can't hit the slide needs to work on fundamentals. She obviously didn't get that at Florida. Why would you even argue that she did? She can hit over ANYONE. Going to Italy or Turkey now would not be the end of the world, but it may also lead to emphasizing only her strengths (which are mainly physical traits) rather than improving her fundamentals and over-all game, which would be most beneficial to her career.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 13:25:12 GMT -5
And you're incorrect. She got lots of reps in college against competition that wasn't that much worse than Japan. Do you really think FL doesn't have good facilities and medical care? What Alhassan needs is to be pushed. She needs a higher expectation and a higher level of play. She cannot simply hit over people in Turkey or Italy; she would need to adapt. She can hit over people in Japan. she'll get fundamentals, but one would imagine, and be correct, that she's had that level of attention at FL. She needs more. Someone who can't hit the slide needs to work on fundamentals. She obviously didn't get that at Florida. Why would you even argue that she did? She can hit over ANYONE. Going to Italy or Turkey now would not be the end of the world, but it may also lead to emphasizing only her strengths (which are mainly physical traits) rather than improving her fundamentals and over-all game, which would be most beneficial to her career. Wrong. She has the potential to hit over most players, but she cannot hit over all players and certainly doesn't do so at the higher levels. There are most certainly blockers for China, USA, Brazil and Serbia that can block her. None of those players play in Japan and if there's one, that's it. She hasn't played as big against better blocking and defensive teams. See NE championship match as the most recent example. And honestly, you can say with a straight face, that FL didn't try and work on the slide with Rhamat? You don't think she spent offseasons working on that and her approach in middle? She's not going to ever see the attention and fundamental training in the pros that she had in college. They just don't have the time. But nice try...
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 13:34:32 GMT -5
Someone who can't hit the slide needs to work on fundamentals. She obviously didn't get that at Florida. Why would you even argue that she did? She can hit over ANYONE. Going to Italy or Turkey now would not be the end of the world, but it may also lead to emphasizing only her strengths (which are mainly physical traits) rather than improving her fundamentals and over-all game, which would be most beneficial to her career. Wrong. She has the potential to hit over most players, but she cannot hit over all players and certainly doesn't do so at the higher levels. There are most certainly blockers for China, USA, Brazil and Serbia that can block her. None of those players play in Japan and if there's one, that's it. She hasn't played as big against better blocking and defensive teams. See NE championship match as the most recent example. And honestly, you can say with a straight face, that FL didn't try and work on the slide with Rhamat? You don't think she spent offseasons working on that and her approach in middle? She's not going to ever see the attention and fundamental training in the pros that she had in college. They just don't have the time. But nice try... We come full circle. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only pro league where she will see that kind of attention is in the Japanese V League. It's obvious you've never seen a japanese pro team practice and have no idea what the training is like. The idea that you think any setter at Florida remotely compares to what she'll see on her team in Japan is pretty funny.
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