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Post by vbsam16 on Aug 24, 2019 14:25:32 GMT -5
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the no libero scenario. Would one of the hitting DSs sub in for the middles when they go back row? Like Ross and Wagoner? Or would Westerberg play 6 rotations? Any insight from someone who saw that at the scrimmage would be appreciated haha. I had to leave a little early and didn't see the full rotation of the no lib lineup play out. But that lineup was dominant early in the set, and apparently cruised on after I left. Probably the most straightforward sub pattern is setters for middles in the back. Bigger pins opposite each other in the rotation, the smaller ball control pins opposite each other. But, there are other ways. Oh super interesting. Reminds me a lot of the 6-2 UCLA ran where they subbed setters for middles and the libero came in for the outsides.
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Aug 24, 2019 14:42:40 GMT -5
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Let's Go Bows!
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 14:43:35 GMT -5
Sure, it's consistent with your own view, but I was arguing against your view. How can you argue against my view? I made a statement about an emotional state “I’m surprised” and you were saying I was wrong. An emotional state cannot be wrong. “I’m angry.” “No, you’re not.” LOL! I'm not arguing against your surprise (surprise in this case isn't so much an emotion as it is a reaction), but the reasoning behind why you are surprised. Is it that hard for you to understand?
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 14:49:05 GMT -5
How can you argue against my view? I made a statement about an emotional state “I’m surprised” and you were saying I was wrong. An emotional state cannot be wrong. “I’m angry.” “No, you’re not.” LOL! I'm not arguing against your surprise (surprise in this case isn't so much an emotion as it is a reaction), but the reasoning behind why you are surprised. Is it that hard for you to understand? You don’t make sense. Your reasoning is that she had known backrow skills thus I shouldn’t be surprised she’s contending for a libero spot. Well, I knew about her backrow skills but was surprised she’s even in contention because she didn’t go to Hawaii to be a libero. She chose Hawaii to be a hitter. Plus, Hawaii has good libero candidates who trained as liberos.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 14:51:26 GMT -5
I'm not arguing against your surprise (surprise in this case isn't so much an emotion as it is a reaction), but the reasoning behind why you are surprised. Is it that hard for you to understand? You don’t make sense. Your reasoning is that she had known backrow skills thus I shouldn’t be surprised she’s contending for a libero spot. Well, I knew about her backrow skills but was surprised she’s even in contention because she didn’t go to Hawaii to be a libero. She chose Hawaii to be a hitter. Plus, Hawaii has good libero candidates who trained as liberos. You keep telling me what my reasoning is. That's what doesn't make sense. I'm not surprised that she might not be a (starting) hitter.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 14:55:53 GMT -5
You don’t make sense. Your reasoning is that she had known backrow skills thus I shouldn’t be surprised she’s contending for a libero spot. Well, I knew about her backrow skills but was surprised she’s even in contention because she didn’t go to Hawaii to be a libero. She chose Hawaii to be a hitter. Plus, Hawaii has good libero candidates who trained as liberos. You keep telling me what my reasoning is. That's what doesn't make sense. I'm not surprised that she might not be a (starting) hitter. I’m reminding you what you yourself originally stated as your reasoning. If you change your reasoning, that would be a different argument and some would even say you’d be impermissibly brining in new matter instead of narrowing the argument further.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 15:02:23 GMT -5
You keep telling me what my reasoning is. That's what doesn't make sense. I'm not surprised that she might not be a (starting) hitter. I’m reminding you what you yourself originally stated as your reasoning. If you change your reasoning, that would be a different argument and some would even say you’d be impermissibly brining in new matter instead of narrowing the argument further. I didn't change my reasoning. The (potential) change in her position confirmed my own initial reasoning, and apparently surprised you based on your (or her) initial reasoning or expectations.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 24, 2019 15:12:36 GMT -5
U guys had me until this last post ..... lol
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 24, 2019 15:13:32 GMT -5
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the no libero scenario. Would one of the hitting DSs sub in for the middles when they go back row? Like Ross and Wagoner? Or would Westerberg play 6 rotations? Any insight from someone who saw that at the scrimmage would be appreciated haha. I had to leave a little early and didn't see the full rotation of the no lib lineup play out. But that lineup was dominant early in the set, and apparently cruised on after I left. Probably the most straightforward sub pattern is setters for middles in the back. Bigger pins opposite each other in the rotation, the smaller ball control pins opposite each other. But, there are other ways. Thanks for the great observations from the scrimmage!
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Post by Harbnger on Aug 24, 2019 15:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 24, 2019 15:19:35 GMT -5
If I were Wagoner, even if I came to Hawaii to be an OH, I'd be open to playing libero if there's a need. It might be the best chance to get playing time immediately, which is incredibly valuable experience for a freshman.
And it wouldn't foreclose the possibility of transitioning back to being an OH once the upperclassmen cycle out in a year or two. If anything, the time as the starting libero would help her case to be a pretty solid O2 down the road.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 24, 2019 15:24:03 GMT -5
Loving the options that Robyn and the team have at their disposal. All I've seen are the short videos on social media. So I'm pretty anxious to see this team finally unveiled. Seems like Robyn can't wait to unveil her team as well! You can sense the excitement in her words... I dont know what will happen in this first weekend. But win or lose, something tells me I will like what I see ...
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 24, 2019 15:38:39 GMT -5
I don’t know how many times I’ve gone onto this thread excited to see what’s being talked about on the new pages only to see it’s majority Wolfgang in another unnecessary argument with someone lol
If Riley Wagoner was the libero her first years at UH then became our mainstay at Outside after, I’m pretty sure that’s a successful career in anyone’s eyes. Shoot remember Granato used to come in for Manu-Olevao in the backrow!? It could just be that Wagoner is not a D1 Top 10 strong outside right now. After some time in the weight room it could be a whole different story.
Can we argue real aspects of the team from what has been seen thus far? I’m pretty sure everyone who thought Skylar was a shoe in starter in the middle are rethinking that after this scrimmage. Same with Kyra at Libero for those (me included) that wrote off Okino as the Libero.
It really looks like this team is 2+ players deep at each position, it’ll probably come down to practice statistics as far as who will start against USD
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 15:41:57 GMT -5
If I were Wagoner, even if I came to Hawaii to be an OH, I'd be open to playing libero if there's a need. It might be the best chance to get playing time immediately, which is incredibly valuable experience for a freshman. And it wouldn't foreclose the possibility of transitioning back to being an OH once the upperclassmen cycle out in a year or two. If anything, the time as the starting libero would help her case to be a pretty solid O2 down the road. It may be an uphill climb if Akana has surpassed her as OH. Then, you've got Hellvig and Akana from her own class, plus the rumored 6’3” OH from Europe. Not to mention a possible conversion to OH for Westerberg. She would essentially be in McKenna Ross’s shoes — perennial backup OH.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 15:49:51 GMT -5
I don’t know how many times I’ve gone onto this thread excited to see what’s being talked about on the new pages only to see it’s majority Wolfgang in another unnecessary argument with someone lol If Riley Wagoner was the libero her first years at UH then became our mainstay at Outside after, I’m pretty sure that’s a successful career in anyone’s eyes. Shoot remember Granato used to come in for Manu-Olevao in the backrow!? It could just be that Wagoner is not a D1 Top 10 strong outside right now. After some time in the weight room it could be a whole different story. Can we argue real aspects of the team from what has been seen thus far? I’m pretty sure everyone who thought Skylar was a shoe in starter in the middle are rethinking that after this scrimmage. Same with Kyra at Libero for those (me included) that wrote off Okino as the Libero. It really looks like this team is 2+ players deep at each position, it’ll probably come down to practice statistics as far as who will start against USD First, I don’t have arguments with people in this thread. I reserve that for other nonessential threads. Second, I didn’t start the argument. I innocently posted things that surprised me about noblesol’s observations, and, out of the blue, volleyguy came at me, unprovoked, saying essentially I was wrong to be “surprised.” Third, I always had faith in Okino. I thought she was great last season but people kept saying her passing was suspect. I didn’t agree but I didn’t bother to review the YouTube videos to back up my thoughts because, you know, it’s just a DS we’re talking about. So, I wasn’t surprised, in contrast to Riley=contending for libero “surprise,” that Okino was ahead of Hanawahine. Frankly, I’ve never seen Hanawahine play so I’d go with Okino. Fourth, I don’t think anyone thought Sky Williams was a shoe-in starter. People pencilled her in simply because she’s a returning veteran.
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