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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 11:24:26 GMT -5
Yeah, but RAM most likely didn’t say to her, “Riley, honey, you are our hitter of the future so, hot dang, we can stop recruiting now!” At the time of Riley’s commitment, she was one of RAM’s first recruits. (She may have been RAM’s third ever recruit, behind transfer Angel Gaskin and setter Kate Lang) So, Riley and her parents knew RAM was scouring the earth with over half a dozen scholarships in hand to offer to, most likely, other hitters. I don't understand what your argument is here. If Wagoner is in the libero position in a match, it negates her hitting entirely since she can't attack at all (which also negates wahinefan's idea of an attacking DS). Wagoner as libero also suggests that her defensive ability is on par or better than the other DS's and/or not quite on par with the other hitters. **But I'm not even sure that Wagoner playing libero in a scrimmage match that requires an A and B team, and therefore two liberos, necessarily means that she's being seriously considered as libero. It might just have been a way to give her more time in the match. So, you said if she plays libero, this wouldn’t allow her to hit. Wouldn’t this be consistent with my view that I am surprised that she’s contending for a libero position given that she came to Hawaii to hit?
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 11:26:13 GMT -5
That's great for you, but you mis-characterized my argument. I don’t think so. lol
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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 11:26:15 GMT -5
I don't understand what your argument is here. If Wagoner is in the libero position in a match, it negates her hitting entirely since she can't attack at all (which also negates wahinefan's idea of an attacking DS). Wagoner as libero also suggests that her defensive ability is on par or better than the other DS's and/or not quite on par with the other hitters. **But I'm not even sure that Wagoner playing libero in a scrimmage match that requires an A and B team, and therefore two liberos, necessarily means that she's being seriously considered as libero. It might just have been a way to give her more time in the match. In a nutshell: My argument was that I’m surprised she’s contending for a libero position, in light of noblesol ’s write-up, given that she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero. You countered by saying, “eh, brah, why you surprised? She has the skillz, dude.” I then said, “ yo, I know she has the skillz! I know everything about her. That’s not the point, dammit! The point is, she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero (or exclusive backrow)!” You then said, “she committed a long time ago and playing hitter seemed like a possibility.” I then said, “well that’s silly. She knew she was the first of a long line of hitters that Coach Rob was trying to grab!” That’s where we are. Wagoner isn't out of contention for an OH role. She played a couple of sets as a lib, the rest at OH. She's got VBIQ at OH and can hit and tool. She just doesn't have the explosiveness you can see from some of the others, but her overall game is high. In the no lib lineup, which may have been the strongest lineup Coach Rob tried last night, it was JR, BVS, Hellvig, and Wagoner at pins. BVS and Wagoner can play back row like liberos, and Hellvig and JR can play all around. Iosia and Choy can be digging machines in the back row. It was fun to watch.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 24, 2019 11:28:48 GMT -5
I don't understand what your argument is here. If Wagoner is in the libero position in a match, it negates her hitting entirely since she can't attack at all (which also negates wahinefan's idea of an attacking DS). Wagoner as libero also suggests that her defensive ability is on par or better than the other DS's and/or not quite on par with the other hitters. **But I'm not even sure that Wagoner playing libero in a scrimmage match that requires an A and B team, and therefore two liberos, necessarily means that she's being seriously considered as libero. It might just have been a way to give her more time in the match. So, you said if she plays libero, this wouldn’t allow her to hit. Wouldn’t this be consistent with my view that I am surprised that she’s contending for a libero position given that she came to Hawaii to hit? Sure, it's consistent with your own view, but I was arguing against your view.
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Post by Harbnger on Aug 24, 2019 11:50:00 GMT -5
From what I took from the match: Noreen’s serve seems to have added heat this year Akana got better towards the end, definitely plays bigger than she is. Ross had some good moments hitting Sibley seems to have more pop on her swings but was getting blocked by the freshman a lot (Akana & Westerberg) Brooke more than likely secured an outside hitting spot, IMO very impressive vertical and arm speed Hanna played all 6 rotations on every set, had some impressive back row digs and hit a pipe set that had the whole gym go ‘WOW’ Okino had a better night than Hanawahine at Libero imo Amber is very Physical at the net Sky looked ok, did well with blocking Kamalei, seems to be moving well despite the knee brace Westerberg played both outside and middle, had some good blocks Robyn is not fooling around, as noblesol pointed out she called out several players during the matches, like stoping the play and doing the drills repeatedly on the spot to driver her point The passing did break down on set 5 for both sides More than one player can and was hitting from the back row Overall this team has more offensive options this year For the most part the team is relatively healthy with no major injuries that will prevent any player from playing Hanna said she is 6’-2 1/2”
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Post by dd2000 on Aug 24, 2019 12:37:47 GMT -5
In a nutshell: My argument was that I’m surprised she’s contending for a libero position, in light of noblesol ’s write-up, given that she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero. You countered by saying, “eh, brah, why you surprised? She has the skillz, dude.” I then said, “ yo, I know she has the skillz! I know everything about her. That’s not the point, dammit! The point is, she didn’t come to Hawaii to play libero (or exclusive backrow)!” You then said, “she committed a long time ago and playing hitter seemed like a possibility.” I then said, “well that’s silly. She knew she was the first of a long line of hitters that Coach Rob was trying to grab!” That’s where we are. Wagoner isn't out of contention for an OH role. She played a couple of sets as a lib, the rest at OH. She's got VBIQ at OH and can hit and tool. She just doesn't have the explosiveness you can see from some of the others, but her overall game is high. In the no lib lineup, which may have been the strongest lineup Coach Rob tried last night, it was JR, BVS, Hellvig, and Wagoner at pins. BVS and Wagoner can play back row like liberos, and Hellvig and JR can play all around. Iosia and Choy can be digging machines in the back row. It was fun to watch. In a scenario like this, do you see Iosia and Choy both playing front row and back row, or perhaps Choy being subbed out of front row?
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Post by skeleton on Aug 24, 2019 12:47:05 GMT -5
Rainbow Wahine put versatility on display in volleyball scrimmageBy Cindy LuisCINDY ELLEN RUSSELL / CRUSSELL@STARADVERTISER.COM Hawaii freshman Braelyn Akana slammed a kill past Kamalei Krug (4) and Kirsten Sibley (9) during a team scrimmage at UH’s Gym 1 on Friday. Akana played both middle and outside.Ask a question, expect an answer. The problem with the Hawaii women’s volleyball team this season may be that there is more than one right answer. The Rainbow Wahine treated their annual Green-White scrimmage more like a multiple-choice exam on Friday, with multiple lineups and players in multiple positions during nearly two hours in Gym 1. For sure, Hawaii will have options this season, for both offense and defense. At lot of options. There are also a lot of questions looming in advance of next Friday’s opener against No. 21 San Diego, the two biggest being: >> How to settle on a lineup against the Toreros? >> How to adjust to a Stan Sheriff Center crowd that could be 100 times larger than the 60 family and friends that showed up for the scrimmage? “I felt we kind of played with a lot of nerves,” said senior Norene Iosia, trading sides with senior Bailey Choy at setter during the scrimmage. “That’s pretty normal and I thought we worked through those nerves. “As Coach Robyn (Ah Mow) said, once we’re in ‘The Stan’ … if you’re nervous now, come game will be way different.” That was Ah Mow’s critique as well. “I think practice was better,” said Ah Mow, entering her third season at her alma mater. “I told them, ‘You know, there’s going to be more people in the arena.’ “We’ve been doing a whole bunch of different lineups in practice, just seeing how everybody plays. We have options. It’s good if someone (is) not working out we can flip someone else in.” That was evident in Set 1, when Riley Wagoner, one of five true freshmen among nine newcomers, started at libero before moving to her traditional spot at outside. “I wasn’t expecting to play libero today, although they’ve been throwing me in there at practice,” she said. “The coaches are trying to mix it up. “(The scrimmage) was a lot of fun. We’ve been practicing for so long (started Aug. 10). It was fun to actually finally play.” Versatility was on display, including freshmen Tiffany Westerberg and Braelyn Akana playing both middle and outside. Besides Wagoner, juniors Rika Okino and Kyra Hanawahine also donned the libero jersey. It did not look like a team that had officially been together for two weeks, especially given there are nine newcomers out of the 16-player roster. According to unofficial stats, the White defeated the Green 3-1. The White finished out the final set on a 10-2 run behind the serves of freshman Hanna Hellvig and Choy, including the last three points on blocks by juniors Skyler Williams and Jolie Rasmussen. The last set also saw the White go without a libero. “We’ve got people with ball control, so we may go without a lib,” Ah Mow said. “I’ll take more hitters over a lib.” “If we have all five hitters ready to hit, the other side is going to be thrown off,” Iosia said. “We have a lot of options. Basically everyone can hit a ball. It’s about everyone buying into what the coaches are saying. “It’s a different vibe this season. All the seniors are making our last year the best we can. It’s exciting.” The season-opening Hawaiian Airlines Classic runs Aug. 30 through Sept. 1. Friday’s first match has No. 13 Washington against St. John’s at 4:45 p.m. followed by the Wahine against the Toreros.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 12:48:56 GMT -5
Wagoner isn't out of contention for an OH role. She played a couple of sets as a lib, the rest at OH. She's got VBIQ at OH and can hit and tool. She just doesn't have the explosiveness you can see from some of the others, but her overall game is high. In the no lib lineup, which may have been the strongest lineup Coach Rob tried last night, it was JR, BVS, Hellvig, and Wagoner at pins. BVS and Wagoner can play back row like liberos, and Hellvig and JR can play all around. Iosia and Choy can be digging machines in the back row. It was fun to watch. In a scenario like this, do you see Iosia and Choy both playing front row and back row, or perhaps Choy being subbed out of front row? Yes. Or maybe No. So many options. I can see playing Iosia all around in this lineup. Or both Iosia and Choy as backrow only and doing the double sub when the setter rotates to the front row. Who would go in the front row on the double sub would depend on matchups and who they have playing middles, who is across the net, or who has the hot hand. Or if Choy is the hot setter, she could play all around. And, you could go one setter all around first ten or fifteen points, then the double sub. Honestly, my head was spinning with all the options I could see playing out last night.
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Post by skeleton on Aug 24, 2019 12:51:52 GMT -5
Playing without a libero option. Interesting.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 13:25:58 GMT -5
I wonder which setter the other players prefer. They should make them write names in a piece of paper and throw them in a hat.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 13:32:09 GMT -5
So, you said if she plays libero, this wouldn’t allow her to hit. Wouldn’t this be consistent with my view that I am surprised that she’s contending for a libero position given that she came to Hawaii to hit? Sure, it's consistent with your own view, but I was arguing against your view. How can you argue against my view? I made a statement about an emotional state “I’m surprised” and you were saying I was wrong. An emotional state cannot be wrong. “I’m angry.” “No, you’re not.” LOL!
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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 13:35:07 GMT -5
I wonder which setter the other players prefer. They should make them write names in a piece of paper and throw them in a hat. I tried to decipher that and couldn't. Coach Rob kept flipping them side to side and the hitters and setters all adjusted to each other quickly. I'd haphazard a guess that the JR-Iosia connection looks most solid. They seem to have a level of mutual understanding and respect that looks pretty seasoned already.
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Post by vbsam16 on Aug 24, 2019 13:40:12 GMT -5
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the no libero scenario. Would one of the hitting DSs sub in for the middles when they go back row? Like Ross and Wagoner? Or would Westerberg play 6 rotations? Any insight from someone who saw that at the scrimmage would be appreciated haha.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 24, 2019 13:45:13 GMT -5
Are there any DI teams that employ a no-libero lineup? Should probably ask the general board.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 24, 2019 14:08:04 GMT -5
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the no libero scenario. Would one of the hitting DSs sub in for the middles when they go back row? Like Ross and Wagoner? Or would Westerberg play 6 rotations? Any insight from someone who saw that at the scrimmage would be appreciated haha. I had to leave a little early and didn't see the full rotation of the no lib lineup play out. But that lineup was dominant early in the set, and apparently cruised on after I left. Probably the most straightforward sub pattern is setters for middles in the back. Bigger pins opposite each other in the rotation, the smaller ball control pins opposite each other. But, there are other ways.
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