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Post by hwnstunner on Oct 21, 2019 14:42:34 GMT -5
Wagoner is the most pure passer, defender, and ball control player UH has. She is so fluid in the backcourt, and also a VERY good pin blocker. But she lacks is offense. She has some nice hits, but the reason Ross is ahead of her is Hawaii needs offense right now without Rasmussen in and Ross - although highly inconsistent in the front and back court - still packs more punch on offense, so she's in. The gamble? Ross gets a bunch of kills against UCI, but then puts a free ball into the net that *perhaps* killed the momentum for UH to win Set 5. Well, really its Ernie frickin' Ho, but that's another story... Regardless, Wagoner doesn't make those kinds of mistakes.
When Rasmussen comes back, she'll displace Wagoner and Ross, especially if Hawaii sticks to the 6-2 with Iosia playing all-around. Rasmussen and Van Sickle would be on the outside, and Hellvig and Iosia on the right. I'd take Iosia in the front over Wagoner or Ross, so both would come off the bench.
Now... Wagoner playing libero is a risk this season because Hawaii needs to designate a libero for each set. We need her freed up in case we need her in the front row or back row.
Next year? If Hawaii lands another capable outside that can terminate, there might be harder look at Wagoner at libero. And I agree, the picking are slim right now projecting to 2020. Still, I expect Wagoner to really improve and make a run for a spot next year as well.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 21, 2019 14:51:51 GMT -5
I wasn't sold on Iosia hitting again like she did last season. But after witnessing the shortcomings of Wagoner, Ross, and to a lesser extent Sibley, it's pretty clear Iosia is several notches above them. What I like best about Iosia is that she is the only consistent line hitter. Now, her setting to the middles? Oy...
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Post by goblin on Oct 21, 2019 17:41:18 GMT -5
I will say this, Robyn must be fun at birthday parties so long as it's somebody else's party and not mine Ha.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 21, 2019 18:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by kokyu on Oct 21, 2019 18:48:27 GMT -5
Williams has the highest hitting % in conference .421 and she's almost exclusively been set by Choy so far.
Igiede has the second highest at .389, which is a testament to her patience in all the forced tips, but imagine how much higher it would be if she had the same privilege as Williams, easily .460.
RAM was a high ball setter which was the norm of her time as is Iosia, whereas Choy's a modern setter. Even though the 5-1's necessary for us to win the NC this year, I think subconsciously RAM has a chip on her shoulder for losing to Stanford in the '96 finals. If she let Choy set and we beat Stanford in the tourney and win the NC she'd be outshined by Choy. This is primarily a hierarchy and humility issue, however embarrassing to consider, is very much at play here in a way a conflict of interest as RAM has job security regardless of underperforming to our maximum potential.
I owe it to Sickle to stay with Hawaii until she graduates, but this presents a problem for future classes if we get another elite setter but isn't given the opportunity to compete for a NC. Let's not pretend a 6-2 on any team will have any chance of winning a NC in the future.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 21, 2019 18:53:38 GMT -5
I think Iosia needs to be playing all six rotations. Too good of a volleyball player and leader not have all the way around. I think her only playing three rotations is part of the reason why her game regressed this year. She's coming in cold, and that includes her setting. Are you asserting Iosia's serving has regressed this year? Ironically I've seen a small regression in her serving strength since she started playing 6 ros very recently.
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Post by hwnstunner on Oct 21, 2019 19:07:39 GMT -5
I wasn't sold on Iosia hitting again like she did last season. But after witnessing the shortcomings of Wagoner, Ross, and to a lesser extent Sibley, it's pretty clear Iosia is several notches above them. What I like best about Iosia is that she is the only consistent line hitter. Now, her setting to the middles? Oy... Sibley is a non-factor this season. Just an available body as of now. Aside from Iosia being able to hit line, she also has all the shots. Part of the reason Ross gets dogged so much is she only hits hard angle and line (which she is pretty inconsistent in). But Iosia can hit the deep shot into areas on the court defenders aren't typically at. Partly comes from playing beach, but just her overall savvy of the game. And not really mentioned in this thread, like Fullerton, Iosia willed this team to a win from the service line in Set 5.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 21, 2019 19:12:02 GMT -5
Williams has the highest hitting % in conference .421 and she's almost exclusively been set by Choy so far. Igiede has the second highest at .389, which is a testament to her patience in all the forced tips, but imagine how much higher it would be if she had the same privilege as Williams, easily .460. RAM was a high ball setter which was the norm of her time as is Iosia, whereas Choy's a modern setter. Even though the 5-1's necessary for us to win the NC this year, I think subconsciously RAM has a chip on her shoulder for losing to Stanford in the '96 finals. If she let Choy set and we beat Stanford in the tourney and win the NC she'd be outshined by Choy. This is primarily a hierarchy and humility issue, however embarrassing to consider, is very much at play here in a way a conflict of interest as RAM has job security regardless of underperforming to our maximum potential. I owe it to Sickle to stay with Hawaii until she graduates, but this presents a problem for future classes if we get another elite setter but isn't given the opportunity to compete for a NC. Let's not pretend a 6-2 on any team will have any chance of winning a NC in the future. It isn't a question of modern vs high-ball setters. It's a question of temperament and loyalty. Robyn likes hard scrabble players who will fight, like herself, even if they aren't the best players (e.g. Ma'afala). As far as Williams and Igiede, they have very different arm-swings. Think Foluke (Williams) and Bown (Igiede) but please don't take the comparison too literally since you're prone to exaggerated hyperbole.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 21, 2019 19:17:00 GMT -5
It's a question of temperament and loyalty. Robyn likes hard scrabble players who will fight, like herself, even if they aren't the best players (e.g. Ma'afala). Yes Ma'faa and Iosia are very MMA-ish like RAM. Choy's the polar opposite, an elite bubblegumish setter. May be a case of identity preservation than anything. She wants to believe her identity can beat Stanford, but it's simply impossible.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 21, 2019 19:27:30 GMT -5
It's a question of temperament and loyalty. Robyn likes hard scrabble players who will fight, like herself, even if they aren't the best players (e.g. Ma'afala). Yes Ma'faa and Iosia are very MMA-ish like RAM. Choy's the polar opposite, an elite bubblegumish setter. May be a case of identity preservation than anything. She wants to believe her identity can beat Stanford, but it's simply impossible. Beating Stanford (or whoever) for a NC, with or without Choy in a 5-1, is a fantasy that exists mainly in your mind. The biggest obstacle right now and going forward is the level of defense.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 21, 2019 21:39:49 GMT -5
Yes Ma'faa and Iosia are very MMA-ish like RAM. Choy's the polar opposite, an elite bubblegumish setter. May be a case of identity preservation than anything. She wants to believe her identity can beat Stanford, but it's simply impossible. Beating Stanford (or whoever) for a NC, with or without Choy in a 5-1, is a fantasy that exists mainly in your mind. The biggest obstacle right now and going forward is the level of defense. BVS's defense is a little better than McClure's and Wag's a couple grades below Hentz. JR's is below average but not as bad as Plummer's. Vig's is better than Fitzmorris' so overall a wash and only because Hentz is able to compensate for her teammates whereas we're more balanced overall. Choy's setting's better than Gray's, and our middles simply destroy Stanford's weak tall trees. Igiede versus Campbell is like RAM versus Dunning in a boxing ring, just carnage. When Sickle was at Oregon even c4 repeatedly questioned my high estimation of her due to her unrealized potential under Ulmer's planning. I prayed for an exodus from Oregon although I didn't know Hawaii would be the benefactor.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 21, 2019 21:53:47 GMT -5
Beating Stanford (or whoever) for a NC, with or without Choy in a 5-1, is a fantasy that exists mainly in your mind. The biggest obstacle right now and going forward is the level of defense. BVS's defense is a little better than McClure's and Wag's a couple grades below Hentz. JR's is below average but not as bad as Plummer's. Vig's is better than Fitzmorris' so overall a wash and only because Hentz is able to compensate for her teammates whereas we're more balanced overall. Choy's setting's better than Gray's, and our middles simply destroy Stanford's weak tall trees. Igiede versus Campbell is like RAM versus Dunning in a boxing ring, just carnage. When Sickle was at Oregon even c4 repeatedly questioned my high estimation of her due to her unrealized potential under Ulmer's planning. I prayed for an exodus from Oregon although I didn't know Hawaii would be the benefactor. LOL I was under the impression that you don't drink, but I'm starting to doubt that assumption. And if you don't drink, I recommend you start. Maybe some shochu--it makes some people crazy. Has any team you support/follow ever won a National Championship? Do you understand how hard it is? And particularly with players who have never played in a Final Four, not to mention a Final?
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Post by Courtside5 on Oct 21, 2019 21:57:48 GMT -5
We just need JR and Brooke back at full strength then the Wahine will ready to rock and make a deep run. πππ€
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Post by kokyu on Oct 21, 2019 22:24:41 GMT -5
BVS's defense is a little better than McClure's and Wag's a couple grades below Hentz. JR's is below average but not as bad as Plummer's. Vig's is better than Fitzmorris' so overall a wash and only because Hentz is able to compensate for her teammates whereas we're more balanced overall. Choy's setting's better than Gray's, and our middles simply destroy Stanford's weak tall trees. Igiede versus Campbell is like RAM versus Dunning in a boxing ring, just carnage. When Sickle was at Oregon even c4 repeatedly questioned my high estimation of her due to her unrealized potential under Ulmer's planning. I prayed for an exodus from Oregon although I didn't know Hawaii would be the benefactor. LOL I was under the impression that you don't drink, but I'm starting to doubt that assumption. And if you don't drink, I recommend you start. Maybe some shochu--it makes some people crazy. Has any team you support/follow ever won a National Championship? Do you understand how hard it is? And particularly with players who have never played in a Final Four, not to mention a Final? Kombucha and kefir make me tipsy. I use a large splash of cognac in quail or guinea hen liver pate but almost always cooked off. You see how easy it was for us to beat UW with a 6-2, 5-1 will be a breeze. But just as 2012 final was supposed to be a breeze Bergsma had a flu and Finley was our one weak spot that couldn't be hidden anymore. Trust we can't hide Iosia's setting past the second round of the tourney and only that far if everyone's healthy.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 21, 2019 22:26:47 GMT -5
LOL I was under the impression that you don't drink, but I'm starting to doubt that assumption. And if you don't drink, I recommend you start. Maybe some shochu--it makes some people crazy. Has any team you support/follow ever won a National Championship? Do you understand how hard it is? And particularly with players who have never played in a Final Four, not to mention a Final? Kombucha and kefir make me tipsy. I use a large splash of cognac in quail or guinea hen liver pate but almost always cooked off. You see how easy it was for us to beat UW with a 6-2, 5-1 will be a breeze. But just as 2012 final was supposed to be a breeze Bergsma had a flu and Finley was our one weak spot that couldn't be hidden anymore. Trust we can't hide Iosia's setting past the second round of the tourney and only that far if everyone's healthy. kefir is a probiotic drink, more like yogurt than liquor. I've never heard of it as an alcoholic drink. I intake kefir every day. Kombucha, like kefir, is also a fermented drink with small small amounts of alcohol, but I've never known people get dizzy or tipsy from it.
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