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Post by ineedajob on Apr 30, 2019 19:57:17 GMT -5
Does this feel like a bit of a questionable hire to anyone else?
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Post by vipvolleyscore on Apr 30, 2019 20:08:17 GMT -5
This year's list is longer than last year's - is that a reflection of more turn-over, or a more efficient volleytalk? I think its a bit of both.. lots of coaching chances, administrative leave coaches, promotions, demotions, etc..
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Post by yourmom on Apr 30, 2019 22:52:01 GMT -5
Does this feel like a bit of a questionable hire to anyone else? I am assuming you don’t know her, she helped ASU to three consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. Don’t let the record at USU fool you.
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Post by ineedajob on Apr 30, 2019 23:14:59 GMT -5
Does this feel like a bit of a questionable hire to anyone else? I am assuming you don’t know her, she helped ASU to three consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. Don’t let the record at USU fool you. You are correct, but my knowing someone doesn’t automatically mean that I think they’re a good coach. I saw on her USU bio that she was with ASU so I looked at the ASU website, but there was no record of her being there. I know ASU is a dumpster fire and the PAC-12 is obviously tough, but I didn’t think they were even that great when they made the tournament (sub-.500 conference record). Also, USU had a couple winning seasons before she got there so I thought they would’ve done better, but things can happen that aren’t necessarily in a coach’s control.
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Post by yourmom on Apr 30, 2019 23:29:30 GMT -5
I am assuming you don’t know her, she helped ASU to three consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. Don’t let the record at USU fool you. You are correct, but my knowing someone doesn’t automatically mean that I think they’re a good coach. I saw on her USU bio that she was with ASU so I looked at the ASU website, but there was no record of her being there. I know ASU is a dumpster fire and the PAC-12 is obviously tough, but I didn’t think they were even that great when they made the tournament (sub-.500 conference record). Also, USU had a couple winning seasons before she got there so I thought they would’ve done better, but things can happen that aren’t necessarily in a coach’s control. Come again? You type her name in and ASU and a ton of stuff comes up. I apologize but you must be new or didn’t do any research on them and what Jason Watson did for that program.
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Post by ineedajob on Apr 30, 2019 23:37:53 GMT -5
You are correct, but my knowing someone doesn’t automatically mean that I think they’re a good coach. I saw on her USU bio that she was with ASU so I looked at the ASU website, but there was no record of her being there. I know ASU is a dumpster fire and the PAC-12 is obviously tough, but I didn’t think they were even that great when they made the tournament (sub-.500 conference record). Also, USU had a couple winning seasons before she got there so I thought they would’ve done better, but things can happen that aren’t necessarily in a coach’s control. Come again? You type her name in and ASU and a ton of stuff comes up. I apologize but you must be new or didn’t do any research on them and what Jason Watson did for that program. I’ll try again more slowly for you. The ASU athletics website does not have her listed on any of their past rosters/coaching staff listings. It shows other managers and volunteer assistants in some of the years she was there, but any trace of her was removed.
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Post by 1wvb on May 1, 2019 7:14:03 GMT -5
Come again? You type her name in and ASU and a ton of stuff comes up. I apologize but you must be new or didn’t do any research on them and what Jason Watson did for that program. I’ll try again more slowly for you. The ASU athletics website does not have her listed on any of their past rosters/coaching staff listings. It shows other managers and volunteer assistants in some of the years she was there, but any trace of her was removed. She was there for all the good years of ASU under Watson. Sammi is a great person and a solid coach. It is exciting when someone finally gets their shot. She is very well respected in the VB community in Utah and surrounding area. She’s had great mentors. Her resume has earned her a DI head coaching job.
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Post by Winbabywin on May 1, 2019 8:57:31 GMT -5
[/quote]She was there for all the good years of ASU under Watson. Sammi is a great person and a solid coach. It is exciting when someone finally gets their shot. She is very well respected in the VB community in Utah and surrounding area. She’s had great mentors. Her resume has earned her a DI head coaching job. [/quote]
"...gets their shot?" There are hundreds of coaches that plug away and grind & grind and never get a whiff of any head coaching position, much less 2 D1 assistant positions. I would venture to say that being an assistant at a Pac-12 program (regardless of success) would count as "a shot" for quite a number of people. But I do get your point; just looking at it from another perspective
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Post by n00b on May 1, 2019 9:11:48 GMT -5
"...gets their shot?" There are hundreds of coaches that plug away and grind & grind and never get a whiff of any head coaching position, much less 2 D1 assistant positions. I would venture to say that being an assistant at a Pac-12 program (regardless of success) would count as "a shot" for quite a number of people. But I do get your point; just looking at it from another perspective Now that we're diving into her bio, interesting that she left an assistant coaching position at Arizona State to go be an assistant at Utah State. (Also agree with the previous poster that it's strange she's been wiped off the Arizona State page. Jason Watson is still on there, Linda Hampton-Keith is still on there. Notably missing - Stuart, Stevie Mussie, and Chris Rose)
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 1, 2019 9:53:50 GMT -5
"...gets their shot?" There are hundreds of coaches that plug away and grind & grind and never get a whiff of any head coaching position, much less 2 D1 assistant positions. I would venture to say that being an assistant at a Pac-12 program (regardless of success) would count as "a shot" for quite a number of people. But I do get your point; just looking at it from another perspective Now that we're diving into her bio, interesting that she left an assistant coaching position at Arizona State to go be an assistant at Utah State. (Also agree with the previous poster that it's strange she's been wiped off the Arizona State page. Jason Watson is still on there, Linda Hampton-Keith is still on there. Notably missing - Stuart, Stevie Mussie, and Chris Rose) Also it is good to note that the ASU record under Watson is perceived to be better than it is. Never finished top half of the conference, went 1-4 in the tournament (and didn't make the tourney without Gardner). Also hasn't done well at Arkansas despite the SEC being a conference where new coaches have had a lot of success getting things done.
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Post by n00b on May 1, 2019 9:56:05 GMT -5
Now that we're diving into her bio, interesting that she left an assistant coaching position at Arizona State to go be an assistant at Utah State. (Also agree with the previous poster that it's strange she's been wiped off the Arizona State page. Jason Watson is still on there, Linda Hampton-Keith is still on there. Notably missing - Stuart, Stevie Mussie, and Chris Rose) Also it is good to note that the ASU record under Watson is perceived to be better than it is. Never finished top half of the conference, went 1-4 in the tournament (and didn't make the tourney without Gardner). Also hasn't done well at Arkansas despite the SEC being a conference where new coaches have had a lot of success getting things done. Right. They landed one game-changing player who single-handedly won them matches. It was incredible to see them drop from a top 5 team to one who shouldn't have made the NCAA tournament when she got injured.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 1, 2019 9:57:54 GMT -5
Also it is good to note that the ASU record under Watson is perceived to be better than it is. Never finished top half of the conference, went 1-4 in the tournament (and didn't make the tourney without Gardner). Also hasn't done well at Arkansas despite the SEC being a conference where new coaches have had a lot of success getting things done. Right. They landed one game-changing player who single-handedly won them matches. It was incredible to see them drop from a top 5 team to one who shouldn't have made the NCAA tournament when she got injured. And ASU 2016 was a mess off the court because of the new coach, but it was always going to be a mess on the court because he left the cupboard BARE.
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Post by 1wvb on May 1, 2019 11:21:36 GMT -5
"...gets their shot?" There are hundreds of coaches that plug away and grind & grind and never get a whiff of any head coaching position, much less 2 D1 assistant positions. I would venture to say that being an assistant at a Pac-12 program (regardless of success) would count as "a shot" for quite a number of people. But I do get your point; just looking at it from another perspective Now that we're diving into her bio, interesting that she left an assistant coaching position at Arizona State to go be an assistant at Utah State. (Also agree with the previous poster that it's strange she's been wiped off the Arizona State page. Jason Watson is still on there, Linda Hampton-Keith is still on there. Notably missing - Stuart, Stevie Mussie, and Chris Rose) Her family is right down the road from Logan so the move makes sense to go to Utah State. I’m not a defender of hers. I know the other candidates that were on campus. All had solid resumes and could have done the job well. She was hired. She should do well.
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Post by VolleyDork on May 1, 2019 13:20:12 GMT -5
Right. They landed one game-changing player who single-handedly won them matches. It was incredible to see them drop from a top 5 team to one who shouldn't have made the NCAA tournament when she got injured. And ASU 2016 was a mess off the court because of the new coach, but it was always going to be a mess on the court because he left the cupboard BARE. Stevie ran all the kids and recruits away, there’s a difference between that and leaving the cupboard bare. Every kid that could have an impact transferred or was asked to leave. All those kids started/start at power 5 schools. The cupboard wouldn’t have been bare.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 1, 2019 14:10:20 GMT -5
And ASU 2016 was a mess off the court because of the new coach, but it was always going to be a mess on the court because he left the cupboard BARE. Stevie ran all the kids and recruits away, there’s a difference between that and leaving the cupboard bare. Every kid that could have an impact transferred or was asked to leave. All those kids started/start at power 5 schools. The cupboard wouldn’t have been bare. No. It was bare. In addition to Gardner, they lost 3more starters to graduation - basically all of their impact players. Only 1 impact player transferred before 2016 (Bailey) and there were no impact players coming in - they actually ended up netting out better because the new staff brought in transfer Okaro, who was by far the best player. ASU was not left in good shape. Mussie made it worse by driving off a lot of the starters who were left (I'm not defending her at all), but ASU was going to take a nosedive even if Watson stayed.
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