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Post by Wiswell on Dec 15, 2018 15:57:05 GMT -5
All of us remember he was there.
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Post by redcard on Dec 15, 2018 16:02:37 GMT -5
I don't know how many Badger fans remember that Nebraska's Coach Cook was a head coach at Wisconsin early in his career. I am already having a few Bud Platinum Lights (only 5 hours until championship match time), so without me doing any investigating can any Wisconsin fans tell me when and how many years Coach Cook was at Wisconsin and how the Badgers did under his leadership? John Cook was hired in 1992 to coach Wisconsin. In seven years as head coach he had a record of 161–73 before resigning to accept the Nebraska position. He was named the Big Ten Co-Coach and AVCA District 2 Coach of the Year after leading the Badgers to a share of the 1997 Big 10 title with a 19–1 mark and school-record 30–3 overall record. The Badgers advanced to a postseason tournament in Cook's final six years at the school, including NCAA appearances in 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997 and 1998. In 1995, Wisconsin won the National Invitational Volleyball Championship with a perfect 6–0 record. During his tenure at UW, he coached four All-Americans, nine AVCA All-District award winners, 11 All-Big Ten honorees, two Big Ten Freshmen of the Year, and 21 Academic All-Big 10 selections.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Dec 15, 2018 16:14:51 GMT -5
I don't know how many Badger fans remember that Nebraska's Coach Cook was a head coach at Wisconsin early in his career. I am already having a few Bud Platinum Lights (only 5 hours until championship match time), so without me doing any investigating can any Wisconsin fans tell me when and how many years Coach Cook was at Wisconsin and how the Badgers did under his leadership? John Cook was hired in 1992 to coach Wisconsin. In seven years as head coach he had a record of 161–73 before resigning to accept the Nebraska position. He was named the Big Ten Co-Coach and AVCA District 2 Coach of the Year after leading the Badgers to a share of the 1997 Big 10 title with a 19–1 mark and school-record 30–3 overall record. The Badgers advanced to a postseason tournament in Cook's final six years at the school, including NCAA appearances in 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997 and 1998. In 1995, Wisconsin won the National Invitational Volleyball Championship with a perfect 6–0 record. During his tenure at UW, he coached four All-Americans, nine AVCA All-District award winners, 11 All-Big Ten honorees, two Big Ten Freshmen of the Year, and 21 Academic All-Big 10 selections. Thanks for the info. I was not trying to be snarky. John Cook was an important cog in Wisconsin's history of success in volleyball, just as Hambly is an important component of Illinois' success in volleyball. However, Cook's record at Wisconsin seems much more exemplary than Hambly's at Illinois. Hambly has only been gone from Illinois for two years, and still remains a beloved volleyball figure locally. Probably in both cases (Cook's and Hambly's), no one would question their choosing to leave both Wisconsin and Illinois for greener pastures. Thanks again for the information 'redcard'.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 15, 2018 16:30:26 GMT -5
Will Courtney play her song as soon as she shows up looking for her moped?
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 16, 2018 2:40:21 GMT -5
John Cook was hired in 1992 to coach Wisconsin. In seven years as head coach he had a record of 161–73 before resigning to accept the Nebraska position. He was named the Big Ten Co-Coach and AVCA District 2 Coach of the Year after leading the Badgers to a share of the 1997 Big 10 title with a 19–1 mark and school-record 30–3 overall record. The Badgers advanced to a postseason tournament in Cook's final six years at the school, including NCAA appearances in 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997 and 1998. In 1995, Wisconsin won the National Invitational Volleyball Championship with a perfect 6–0 record. During his tenure at UW, he coached four All-Americans, nine AVCA All-District award winners, 11 All-Big Ten honorees, two Big Ten Freshmen of the Year, and 21 Academic All-Big 10 selections. Thanks for the info. I was not trying to be snarky. John Cook was an important cog in Wisconsin's history of success in volleyball, just as Hambly is an important component of Illinois' success in volleyball. However, Cook's record at Wisconsin seems much more exemplary than Hambly's at Illinois. Hambly has only been gone from Illinois for two years, and still remains a beloved volleyball figure locally. Probably in both cases (Cook's and Hambly's), no one would question their choosing to leave both Wisconsin and Illinois for greener pastures. Thanks again for the information 'redcard'. Redcard gave you the Wikipedia entry for John Cook under Wisconsin. I was a fan when John Cook was coach. Cook picked up after Steve Lowe died of cancer, after leading the team to its first big ten banner in 1990. I was in Madison when they won the B1G in 97 under Cook. I always felt his teams under-performed in the NCAAs for some reason. I remember a loss to Florida after going 2-0 up in the 1997 regional final that was particularly galling. Then losing in 5 to Nebraska in the regional final the following year after going 2-1 up, albeit in Lincoln. The year after, he left for Nebraska just rubbed salt in the wound. He made it worse by claiming as a parting shot that he had always been a "husker," for some reason, like he had been faking it in Madison all that time. Of course, then 2 years later they lost to Cook's Nebraska in the final, again after going 2-1 up. I do not entirely understand him leaving for Nebraska. He was building something in Wisconsin and there is no reason why he couldn't have continued to build. There were 11k fans to see the badgers beat PSU in 97 when most teams were barely pulling 1-2k fans. But I was also never very fond of him personally. Some people I know felt that he was not as likeable a personality as Lowe, who most held in very high esteem as a coach and a person. I liked Pete Waite better. And I like Sheffield better too. So people were of mixed feelings when he left.
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Post by Badger Alum on Dec 16, 2018 2:57:53 GMT -5
Cook did a very good job at Wisconsin. He was really building something special. You could see the growth in the program under his watch. I remember being upset that he left to be an assistant head coach for one year before becoming the actual head coach. We were very fortunate to get a good coach in Pete Waite. He took us to a national championship match, ironically against John Cook’s Nebraska team. But Cook definitely burned some bridges when he left Wisconsin.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 16, 2018 3:46:18 GMT -5
There is no doubt that Cook is a good coach. He's proved that throughout his career.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 16, 2018 4:25:23 GMT -5
Will Courtney play her song as soon as she shows up looking for her moped? Dude, Griffey Jr.? I had no idea he was ever in a music video.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2018 0:14:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I was not trying to be snarky. John Cook was an important cog in Wisconsin's history of success in volleyball, just as Hambly is an important component of Illinois' success in volleyball. However, Cook's record at Wisconsin seems much more exemplary than Hambly's at Illinois. Hambly has only been gone from Illinois for two years, and still remains a beloved volleyball figure locally. Probably in both cases (Cook's and Hambly's), no one would question their choosing to leave both Wisconsin and Illinois for greener pastures. Thanks again for the information 'redcard'. Redcard gave you the Wikipedia entry for John Cook under Wisconsin. I was a fan when John Cook was coach. Cook picked up after Steve Lowe died of cancer, after leading the team to its first big ten banner in 1990. I was in Madison when they won the B1G in 97 under Cook. I always felt his teams under-performed in the NCAAs for some reason. I remember a loss to Florida after going 2-0 up in the 1997 regional final that was particularly galling. Then losing in 5 to Nebraska in the regional final the following year after going 2-1 up, albeit in Lincoln. The year after, he left for Nebraska just rubbed salt in the wound. He made it worse by claiming as a parting shot that he had always been a "husker," for some reason, like he had been faking it in Madison all that time. Of course, then 2 years later they lost to Cook's Nebraska in the final, again after going 2-1 up. I do not entirely understand him leaving for Nebraska. He was building something in Wisconsin and there is no reason why he couldn't have continued to build. There were 11k fans to see the badgers beat PSU in 97 when most teams were barely pulling 1-2k fans. But I was also never very fond of him personally. Some people I know felt that he was not as likeable a personality as Lowe, who most held in very high esteem as a coach and a person. I liked Pete Waite better. And I like Sheffield better too. So people were of mixed feelings when he left. Him moving to Nebraska made perfect sense IMO. He knew (and liked) the area from his three years of coaching under Pettit, got a big pay day and was moving to a community that had more funding and fan support for volleyball. He also had 2 young kids so it was a good time to make the switch if he was going to do it. He also was inheriting a loaded roster and recruiting to Nebraska was an easier sell back then than recruiting to Wisconsin. He got to take over his mentor's program and was given a platform with a great shot to win championships. I loosely knew John Cook when he was in Madison, I liked him and his family a lot. After he announced he was leaving for Nebraska, his family received flack from some fans, received upset voicemails from fans, etc. Watching him win a title in Nebraska against his former players (in 5 sets) definitely stung and probably didn't help his reputation with Wisconsin fans, but overall I think he made the right move even though I would've loved to see him grow UW volleyball over the past 20 years. In regards to his coaching, he was fantastic at Wisconsin. His 1997 team overachieved greatly that year despite being upset in 5 vs. Florida. They were preseason #18 and finished #5 in the polls. They had endured a brutally long 4 game win vs. Notre Dame the night before while Florida coasted to a 3-0 win over Washington State. Badgers completely ran out of gas in game 5, and Florida moved on to Spokane. Lots of similarities between that match and the 2016 regional final loss to Stanford. Up 2-0 and lost it. In 1998 that Badgers were steadily ranked between 5th and 8th all year. They lost a heart breaker to a very good Nebraska in Lincoln. Another solid year. If people didn't like him it was personality based, but there's no denying Cook did a stellar job of bringing UW volleyball to new heights during his last years there.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2018 0:20:37 GMT -5
Kind of an out there idea...but what we consistently see year in year out is that championship caliber teams have a hammer on the outside. This year every Final Four team had a gun on the left who could (and would) carry her team to victory. Wisconsin hasn't ever had that player, and I don't see any of the current outsides filling that role as a reliably 3-4 kps hitting around .300 type. After watching 6-6 Plummer this weekend, I thought could Rettke be a similar player for Wisconsin? Neither are high fliers but they pack heat on their swing and have an extremely high contact point. Both also move very well compared to other players their size. Personnel wise I don't think it makes a lot of sense, but if Wisconsin moved Rettke to the left do people think she could be that terminal pin hitter for the BadgerS? Rettke is stellar going off one foot but does look a little awkward taking a 2 foot approach from behind the setter. Her defense and ball control is as good as any other middle's in the country, plus she looks comfortable swinging out of the back row. Obviously I don't see this happening, but how do fans think her game would translate if she moved out of the middle?
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 17, 2018 3:30:30 GMT -5
Redcard gave you the Wikipedia entry for John Cook under Wisconsin. I was a fan when John Cook was coach. Cook picked up after Steve Lowe died of cancer, after leading the team to its first big ten banner in 1990. I was in Madison when they won the B1G in 97 under Cook. I always felt his teams under-performed in the NCAAs for some reason. I remember a loss to Florida after going 2-0 up in the 1997 regional final that was particularly galling. Then losing in 5 to Nebraska in the regional final the following year after going 2-1 up, albeit in Lincoln. The year after, he left for Nebraska just rubbed salt in the wound. He made it worse by claiming as a parting shot that he had always been a "husker," for some reason, like he had been faking it in Madison all that time. Of course, then 2 years later they lost to Cook's Nebraska in the final, again after going 2-1 up. I do not entirely understand him leaving for Nebraska. He was building something in Wisconsin and there is no reason why he couldn't have continued to build. There were 11k fans to see the badgers beat PSU in 97 when most teams were barely pulling 1-2k fans. But I was also never very fond of him personally. Some people I know felt that he was not as likeable a personality as Lowe, who most held in very high esteem as a coach and a person. I liked Pete Waite better. And I like Sheffield better too. So people were of mixed feelings when he left. Him moving to Nebraska made perfect sense IMO. He knew (and liked) the area from his three years of coaching under Pettit, got a big pay day and was moving to a community that had more funding and fan support for volleyball. He also had 2 young kids so it was a good time to make the switch if he was going to do it. He also was inheriting a loaded roster and recruiting to Nebraska was an easier sell back then than recruiting to Wisconsin. He got to take over his mentor's program and was given a platform with a great shot to win championships. I loosely knew John Cook when he was in Madison, I liked him and his family a lot. After he announced he was leaving for Nebraska, his family received flack from some fans, received upset voicemails from fans, etc. Watching him win a title in Nebraska against his former players (in 5 sets) definitely stung and probably didn't help his reputation with Wisconsin fans, but overall I think he made the right move even though I would've loved to see him grow UW volleyball over the past 20 years. In regards to his coaching, he was fantastic at Wisconsin. His 1997 team overachieved greatly that year despite being upset in 5 vs. Florida. They were preseason #18 and finished #5 in the polls. They had endured a brutally long 4 game win vs. Notre Dame the night before while Florida coasted to a 3-0 win over Washington State. Badgers completely ran out of gas in game 5, and Florida moved on to Spokane. Lots of similarities between that match and the 2016 regional final loss to Stanford. Up 2-0 and lost it. In 1998 that Badgers were steadily ranked between 5th and 8th all year. They lost a heart breaker to a very good Nebraska in Lincoln. Another solid year. If people didn't like him it was personality based, but there's no denying Cook did a stellar job of bringing UW volleyball to new heights during his last years there. Fair enough. I agree he did a very good job and that impressions are personal. I had a similar impression from the gator match - they just ran out of gas. Had forgotten the ND match before. Now that you bring it up I remember it being intense, but the length escapes me. But I do remember Florida coasting against wazzu. Still, the age of side out scoring could be grueling, for fans as well as players.
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Post by mnbadger on Dec 17, 2018 13:11:44 GMT -5
Kind of an out there idea...but what we consistently see year in year out is that championship caliber teams have a hammer on the outside. This year every Final Four team had a gun on the left who could (and would) carry her team to victory. Wisconsin hasn't ever had that player, and I don't see any of the current outsides filling that role as a reliably 3-4 kps hitting around .300 type. After watching 6-6 Plummer this weekend, I thought could Rettke be a similar player for Wisconsin? Neither are high fliers but they pack heat on their swing and have an extremely high contact point. Both also move very well compared to other players their size. Personnel wise I don't think it makes a lot of sense, but if Wisconsin moved Rettke to the left do people think she could be that terminal pin hitter for the BadgerS? Rettke is stellar going off one foot but does look a little awkward taking a 2 foot approach from behind the setter. Her defense and ball control is as good as any other middle's in the country, plus she looks comfortable swinging out of the back row. Obviously I don't see this happening, but how do fans think her game would translate if she moved out of the middle? It's not that out-there as I think this idea has come up every off-season since Rettke started school that semester early. It was particularly prevalent as people got higher and higher on Hart this season. What I think you hit on was that her defense and ball control is as good as any other middle. I don't think she holds a candle to Loberg's and Haggerty's floor defense and passing. Internationally, I think she could have a future as an elite opposite, but in the college game, she's too valuable in the middle. Additionally, Hilley vastly increased her risk-taking in setting the middle when well off the net or in bad positions and she was connecting on that pretty well. Rettke took a lot of the offensive load...I haven't been used to seeing that from a middle until Rettke joined the badgers. She had OH-like kps with an elite MB hitting percentage. So, taking the premise of your question, I think we have the player you describe, just playing a different position. In regards to specifically having a leftside play that role, I liked what I saw from Haggerty late in the season. We'll see what she can do to stay on that trajectory. From a numbers perspective, what I think would contribute to Lobgerty's (shorthand that does NOT need to happen) production on the left is us developing a somewhat fast backrow attack. I think Hilley is more than capable of setting it and it would add another layer for blockers to respect, thus hopefully upping the OH numbers. Every back-row attack we tried this year was pretty slow. Poulter to Quade on the bic (sp?) was the prototype to accomplish that this year. I don't think we are at that speed...yet. It's a long off-season with a lot of returning players who can still grow quite a bit in the game, but we have all of the pieces to have a great system-oriented volleyball team. This response was brought to you by someone who consistently looks for the big picture and has trouble with fine-grain details. Someone who pays more attention to individual player performance may have more and different things to contribute.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 17, 2018 13:47:18 GMT -5
What does John Cook have to do with the 2019 Badgers? Let's stop talking about it. The newest players coming in were born in 2001, well after the 2000 matchup. I can't believe you fell for the trolling.
But what I am interested in - what are the prospects for Wohlert playing next year?
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Post by wiscvball on Dec 17, 2018 13:58:38 GMT -5
What does John Cook have to do with the 2019 Badgers? Let's stop talking about it. The newest players coming in were born in 2001, well after the 2000 matchup. I can't believe you fell for the trolling. But what I am interested in - what are the prospects for Wohlert playing next year? I'd have to think very low. Unless Duello takes a massive step backwards, which I don't see happening. Potentially, she sees the court in 2020, but I think Gorum and Demps might push her down the depth chart by then.
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Post by mnbadger on Dec 17, 2018 14:06:04 GMT -5
What does John Cook have to do with the 2019 Badgers? Let's stop talking about it. The newest players coming in were born in 2001, well after the 2000 matchup. I can't believe you fell for the trolling. But what I am interested in - what are the prospects for Wohlert playing next year? That is indeed an interesting question. You could actually see her getting stronger during warm-ups as the year progressed. Better arm-swing, nice block. Looks like she's been training consistently at right side, which feels like the correct decision. It doesn't look like she has the athleticism or foot speed of Dana, making blocking a potential rough spot. I hope that she puts time in during spring games so we can see her in game action. Tough to assess based on a visual inspection of warm-ups. My biggest concern for her is how well she sees the court and how well she sees the block in front of her. If she does break into the conversation, it certainly presents a new problem of the giant queue we would have at OH...Molly, Grace, Madison and Mariah all with game experience, and now bringing in Gregorski.
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