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Post by boh on Apr 2, 2019 9:22:56 GMT -5
He and Donna were the glue that held GL together. The GL region was held together?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 2, 2019 9:36:58 GMT -5
He and Donna were the glue that held GL together. The GL region was held together? I laughed at this too. I wouldn't necessarily say glue but maybe some dried out band aids and leftover athletic tape a trainer they didn't supply dropped on the floor from WCPL V.1. No doubt Angelo leaving is going to hurt, should be interesting to hear how Sandy spins this.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 2, 2019 9:39:54 GMT -5
Considering she knows next to nothing about club volleyball or Region rules, I can't say I blame them. Of course she knows the rules, because they are whatever she decides to enforce or make up out of thin air. Will USAV step in and try to take control of what could be one of the strongest RVA's in the country before it falls deep into disarray or is attempted to be taken over by a bunch of slime balls that already sit on the new WCPL board?
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Post by ikamtm on Apr 2, 2019 17:40:14 GMT -5
Considering she knows next to nothing about club volleyball or Region rules, I can't say I blame them. Of course she knows the rules, because they are whatever she decides to enforce or make up out of thin air. Will USAV step in and try to take control of what could be one of the strongest RVA's in the country before it falls deep into disarray or is attempted to be taken over by a bunch of slime balls that already sit on the new WCPL board? I really can't say I know the directors of the WCPL that well. I spoke more with that board member last night and they said they are very worried about the Qualifier, once the CFO leaves, there will be no one there who has any experience. I know he did a heck of a lot more than just the accounting. You're right, I wonder how she will spin his leaving. Can USAV step in and take over? Not sure what the structure is. I'm glad I no longer have a club in the Region, I would seriously consider going all JVA now that he's leaving. Do you know why they just don't open the commissioner job up? It seems like there are many that are fed up and disgruntled Sandy. When was the last time this was opened up?
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 3, 2019 3:39:05 GMT -5
Of course she knows the rules, because they are whatever she decides to enforce or make up out of thin air. Will USAV step in and try to take control of what could be one of the strongest RVA's in the country before it falls deep into disarray or is attempted to be taken over by a bunch of slime balls that already sit on the new WCPL board? I really can't say I know the directors of the WCPL that well. I spoke more with that board member last night and they said they are very worried about the Qualifier, once the CFO leaves, there will be no one there who has any experience. I know he did a heck of a lot more than just the accounting. You're right, I wonder how she will spin his leaving. Can USAV step in and take over? Not sure what the structure is. I'm glad I no longer have a club in the Region, I would seriously consider going all JVA now that he's leaving. Do you know why they just don't open the commissioner job up? It seems like there are many that are fed up and disgruntled Sandy. When was the last time this was opened up? You don’t want USAV to take over. USAV does not want to take over a region because it would cause a HUGE impact on how regions are independently run. Currently each region is an independent franchise licensed by USAV. USAV does not have the personnel to take over and run a region. They would need to hire the local slime balls to run this show. How are you determining that we are one of the strongest RVAs? Juniors? Refs? Influence at the National level in getting our national teams to play here? At USAV GJNCs, our teams have sucked since the JVA split. At BJNC, we are starting to medal, but SCVA still dominates. At Opens, most of our adults are playing for other regions’ teams instead of forming our own. Our overall referee quality has gone down also. We produce a few great ones, but most shouldn’t be JN or Nationals if only for the sole reason that we need more refs to handle more courts. Having the National teams play here is mostly about money and attendance. Southern Cal sucks with their attendance because their people would rather go out than sit indoors to watch a match during the summer. The beginning of the transition started last year with Donna leaving. Biggest problem with this Region is that they never groomed anyone to take over what they do (other than Kim for Donna, but Kim can’t do everything Donna did and Carla is the secretary/office manager). There’s an accountant listed on the Region’s website, so we don’t need a CFO. That title was created for Angelo to make him look important. Once Sandy leaves, this Region will have a very different look one way or another (good or bad depending on your perception) with the old guard gone. I’ve been saying all along that the new CEO needs to be someone who can market volleyball to not only our grassroots, but to potential sponsors to grow the game. The website needs upgrading and a new look with better ease of use. Sandy’s replacement needs to be not only computer savvy, but with social media and technology also. Recruiting is still an issue that’s been sat on since this Region started. We need to educate our new coaches with new practices instead of rehashing old ways that do not work. Just because it works for you doesn’t mean it will work for another coach. How can we improve the experience with recruiting new players/coaches/club directors/officials/TDs. No matter what, there is always going to someone who is disgruntled with any administration. Go ahead and go join JVA. Sandy doesn’t want you if you don’t support the Region. You join JVA, you join the enemy according to her actions.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 3, 2019 8:23:10 GMT -5
I really can't say I know the directors of the WCPL that well. I spoke more with that board member last night and they said they are very worried about the Qualifier, once the CFO leaves, there will be no one there who has any experience. I know he did a heck of a lot more than just the accounting. You're right, I wonder how she will spin his leaving. Can USAV step in and take over? Not sure what the structure is. I'm glad I no longer have a club in the Region, I would seriously consider going all JVA now that he's leaving. Do you know why they just don't open the commissioner job up? It seems like there are many that are fed up and disgruntled Sandy. When was the last time this was opened up? You don’t want USAV to take over. USAV does not want to take over a region because it would cause a HUGE impact on how regions are independently run. Currently each region is an independent franchise licensed by USAV. USAV does not have the personnel to take over and run a region. They would need to hire the local slime balls to run this show. How are you determining that we are one of the strongest RVAs? Juniors? Refs? Influence at the National level in getting our national teams to play here? At USAV GJNCs, our teams have sucked since the JVA split. At BJNC, we are starting to medal, but SCVA still dominates. At Opens, most of our adults are playing for other regions’ teams instead of forming our own. Our overall referee quality has gone down also. We produce a few great ones, but most shouldn’t be JN or Nationals if only for the sole reason that we need more refs to handle more courts. Having the National teams play here is mostly about money and attendance. Southern Cal sucks with their attendance because their people would rather go out than sit indoors to watch a match during the summer. The beginning of the transition started last year with Donna leaving. Biggest problem with this Region is that they never groomed anyone to take over what they do (other than Kim for Donna, but Kim can’t do everything Donna did and Carla is the secretary/office manager). There’s an accountant listed on the Region’s website, so we don’t need a CFO. That title was created for Angelo to make him look important. Once Sandy leaves, this Region will have a very different look one way or another (good or bad depending on your perception) with the old guard gone. I’ve been saying all along that the new CEO needs to be someone who can market volleyball to not only our grassroots, but to potential sponsors to grow the game. The website needs upgrading and a new look with better ease of use. Sandy’s replacement needs to be not only computer savvy, but with social media and technology also. Recruiting is still an issue that’s been sat on since this Region started. We need to educate our new coaches with new practices instead of rehashing old ways that do not work. Just because it works for you doesn’t mean it will work for another coach. How can we improve the experience with recruiting new players/coaches/club directors/officials/TDs. No matter what, there is always going to someone who is disgruntled with any administration. Go ahead and go join JVA. Sandy doesn’t want you if you don’t support the Region. You join JVA, you join the enemy according to her actions. I said that I thought we could be one of the strongest regions in the country, does not mean we are there - Sandy did a fine job of making sure the region was divided for a long time. But with the immanent departure of some of the bigger problems that put a fracture in the region leaving in Sandy and rick butler, there again is more opportunity to turn things around like when enough people finally came together to get the prominent power league away from rick and cheryl. What is wrong with USAV asking people from say the Badger region to slide over and help maintain structure or put some in place, hell there are tons of local Chicagoland people that are coaching and working for the Badger region as we speak that could step in and help - are we saying Julie Voek, Brian Sharkey, B.J. Le Roy couldn't offer some temporary help that would only encourage strength and growth in the Midwest? How is USAV temporarily stepping in and potentially hiring local slimeballs to run the show any different when we already have local slimeballs in Mike Bui, Joel Anderson, and Sue Keck running WCPL v2.0 and probably licking their chops at the influence they can have when they attack Sandy like a pack of wolves going after an injured calf? The reason they never groomed anyone is because they were greedy power hungry people that felt threatened anytime someone challenged them, so why would they bring in someone too early that might stop their glory before they decide they want to be done. Any new CEO that comes in internally from the region office, or one of these directors that think they are more important than they are, will ultimately struggle for their first couple years if they even make it that long - hence why I thought USAV could step in and conduct the interviews for who they feel should step into that role and develop a democracy where the regions members vote for appointed positions with term limits like the Badger region does. Recruiting is going to still happen, just because Donna, Angelo, and eventually Sandy will go away you think that Scott Harris, Mike Bui, Joel Anderson, Sue Keck, or Mike Hulett and the Mastersons are going to stop recruiting or instruct their staff to do so? All of those people need their top teams to be actual top teams and if they can convince other kids to come and join specific teams, make grand promises, or even offer to pay dues they will continue to do so. The region should be paying for coaches clinics at a discounted rate for region registered coaches if they want them to be better and offer an incentive for why you are paying dues as a coach, you can't just expect all these people basically treating club coaching as a hobby or very small part time job to shell out the money to go to coaching clinics or the AVCA convention when they have more important things in their lives going on. The adult problem is a mess in its own right, PVL was good in theory but when some of these better players started to act like they were domestic professionals and wanted to be treated as such then budgets got blown and there was just a ton of money wasted that could have easily been put into grassroots programs or even develop a high performance program within the region again. Instead you now had and Open division get split up before it eventually went under and you had the NVA come around that is doing OK with showcases but does not allow those guys to play at USAV Opens - which really doesn't have anything to do with the Great Lakes Region. If you want to get a new face on the board the guy who runs the volleyball stuff for Players Sport and Social should be the adult rep, I don't know if there is anyone more plugged in to the adult community than him and he seems like a really good guy. When PVL didn't allow more than one team to be represented from the region that is when some of our best players started to look at neighboring regions due to the way it played out, and when you had personal politics being played about who was going to play for what "pro" team and when just turned into a giant mess. And as far as Sandy saying you are against the region if you are not in it, I know for a fact quite a few directors, even some that are now running WCPL v2.0, could dig up lots of old condescending and threatening emails from Sandy when she would catch wind that you wanted to play in GLPL or enter teams in JVA competitions. Hopefully this will all be for the better but unfortunately there may be dark days ahead for those behind the scenes in the region and hopefully there is no blow back that impacts the members of the region, kids, or paying parents.
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Post by boh on Apr 3, 2019 10:19:57 GMT -5
The adult problem is a mess in its own right, PVL was good in theory but when some of these better players started to act like they were domestic professionals and wanted to be treated as such then budgets got blown and there was just a ton of money wasted that could have easily been put into grassroots programs or even develop a high performance program within the region again. Instead you now had and Open division get split up before it eventually went under and you had the NVA come around that is doing OK with showcases but does not allow those guys to play at USAV Opens - which really doesn't have anything to do with the Great Lakes Region. If you want to get a new face on the board the guy who runs the volleyball stuff for Players Sport and Social should be the adult rep, I don't know if there is anyone more plugged in to the adult community than him and he seems like a really good guy. When PVL didn't allow more than one team to be represented from the region that is when some of our best players started to look at neighboring regions due to the way it played out, and when you had personal politics being played about who was going to play for what "pro" team and when just turned into a giant mess. I think you are talking about Dave Reid from Players Sports. He is a really good guy, very personable, and good promoter of the sport. They do have Trish Loverde doing it right now and she is equally awesome and connected to the adult scene (although she has gotten tired of all the mens teams flaking out for tournaments so she doesn't run mens tournaments anymore). Other than Trish I think the only other person running sanctioned adult tournaments is Kyle McCall. All the rest are run through Players Sports and non-sanctioned, those are easily the most attended too. Most adults I know have no reason to register if they aren't going to nationals. I really miss the days of regionals when you had Palos packed with adult teams and had a nice payout to help offset the cost of nationals if you won. It was also strong enough back then so that you were committed to one team and they kept track of tournament placement and used that to help seed you at nationals....the good ole days
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Post by volleypsq on Apr 6, 2019 16:24:43 GMT -5
SPVB third team, 18 red, just beat the Windy City Power Leaugue 18 open winner, Sky High 17 Black in three sets at JVAs.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 6, 2019 22:55:34 GMT -5
SPVB third team, 18 red, just beat the Windy City Power Leaugue 18 open winner, Sky High 17 Black in three sets at JVAs. I heard that while “compact” GLPL was competitive as hell this season. I don’t think this suprises anyone, not me anyway. My kid played on a 7’s team back when and those girls REGULARLY beat 1’s teams from other clubs. They put the work in. They really do. Congrats to 18 Red.
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Post by trainermch on Apr 7, 2019 12:56:58 GMT -5
SPVB third team, 18 red, just beat the Windy City Power Leaugue 18 open winner, Sky High 17 Black in three sets at JVAs. I heard that while “compact” GLPL was competitive as hell this season. I don’t think this suprises anyone, not me anyway. My kid played on a 7’s team back when and those girls REGULARLY beat 1’s teams from other clubs. They put the work in. They really do. Congrats to 18 Red. Those 1's hate it when they get beat by another "lower-ranked" same-club team. I have to say, at first I thought you were throwing it way back when you mentioned she played for a 7's team (as in y/o). LOL
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Post by badgerblockparty on Apr 7, 2019 14:59:21 GMT -5
Looks like Sky High 17 Black won the 18 Premier division. Seems odd that they didn't play in the 17 Open division
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Apr 8, 2019 12:40:11 GMT -5
I heard that while “compact” GLPL was competitive as hell this season. I don’t think this suprises anyone, not me anyway. My kid played on a 7’s team back when and those girls REGULARLY beat 1’s teams from other clubs. They put the work in. They really do. Congrats to 18 Red. Those 1's hate it when they get beat by another "lower-ranked" same-club team. I have to say, at first I thought you were throwing it way back when you mentioned she played for a 7's team (as in y/o). LOL #tbt throwing it WAY back, 11 years to be precise Maybe the proper hashtag for that would be #tiwb (throwing it way back) But seriously, yes, some of those 1's & 2's teams did get pretty upset. I think kids just get focused on the status of being a 1's or a 2's that they don't understand that all clubs operate the same as their club may. Maybe it's a lesson to never underestimate an underdog??? IDK. Not sure this qualifies for underdog status but maybe it does.
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Post by trainermch on Apr 8, 2019 13:59:32 GMT -5
Those 1's hate it when they get beat by another "lower-ranked" same-club team. I have to say, at first I thought you were throwing it way back when you mentioned she played for a 7's team (as in y/o). LOL #tbt throwing it WAY back, 11 years to be precise Maybe the proper hashtag for that would be #tiwb (throwing it way back) But seriously, yes, some of those 1's & 2's teams did get pretty upset. I think kids just get focused on the status of being a 1's or a 2's that they don't understand that all clubs operate the same as their club may. Maybe it's a lesson to never underestimate an underdog??? IDK. Not sure this qualifies for underdog status but maybe it does. Oh yes it does, girl, yes it does. And I love it.
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