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Post by ts89yahoo on Feb 3, 2019 0:54:28 GMT -5
I mean I don’t do that. But I haven’t got laughed out of a job in 3 different sports. So zero jobs means you’re better than someone who has had 3 jobs? Dude. I’m a doctor.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 3, 2019 4:15:08 GMT -5
That was my next question. She’s pretty and successful. Yep, that is always going to bring out the haters. Lucky Cam is so homely or she would be getting the same kind of hate
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Post by crunch on Feb 3, 2019 13:18:44 GMT -5
So zero jobs means you’re better than someone who has had 3 jobs? Dude. I’m a doctor. Dude, you're a doctor??? And you said in your opening post that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS)/Fribromyalgia is "a made up disease" and "not real" ts89 and his posts perfectly exemplify Kelli's experience. I will start with this. Check out the links below if you believe that ME/CFS doesn't exist: - Ian Lipkin, world's most celebrated virologist, Columbia Univ. link
- Ron Davis, Stanford, OMF and Genome Tech Center (someone let Dr. Davis know that his own son is faking it) link and link
- Maureen Hanson, Cornell, link
- See "Unrest" on NetFlix
- Ron Tompkins, Harvard link
Admittedly I don't know as much about Fibromyalgia, but I do know that the two diseases are related and often co-exist. Look it up. My son has been an ME/CFS sufferer for 11 years. He was the best volleyball player his age in high school before he came down with it. Talented, athletic and smart. Now he is housebound. Our experience has been a lot like Kelli's (and an estimated 1-3 million others in the U.S.), which is typical for ME/CFS/Fibromyalgia patients. Doctors misdiagnosed and dismissed his symptoms. Disbelief by family and friends. Years of doctor-hopping trying to find someone with answers or who would even take on his case. Finally getting the correct diagnosis only to find that there is no cure and most of the medical community and the CDC/NIH barely seem to care (or are openly antagonistic like ts89). There are a few meds that help some sufferers with a symptom or two, but since meds are mostly ineffective people start turning to supplement cocktails. Is it really any wonder that these patients turn to something other than traditional medicine, which has nothing effective yet to offer? Patients are desperate to find something that works and when they do, they spread the word hoping that others will benefit as well. So I'm grateful Kelli is sharing it and I will be looking into it. I honestly cannot believe these disgusting vicious posts about something and someone that the posters on this board know little or nothing about. And most of all ts89 for being a prime example of an ignorant and uncaring doctor that disseminates misinformation, made even more egregious by being the creator of this thread (with a misspelled title no less)!!! SMH. The fact that Kelli can even function for 2-3 days while commentating from sun up to sun down is miraculous and inspiring. It's amazing that she even attempted to play through it at USC. She has a new fan in me and I will be cutting her some slack in the future if she ever gets behind the mike again, which I now hope she does. Be grateful you have your health and don't have to deal with debilitating diseases and misinformation. I have to believe that this thread is an aberration and hope you all will be the kind people you are in real life.
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Post by Fight On! on Feb 3, 2019 14:01:11 GMT -5
So zero jobs means you’re better than someone who has had 3 jobs? Dude. I’m a doctor. And what? That’s not broadcasting.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 3, 2019 14:35:05 GMT -5
So zero jobs means you’re better than someone who has had 3 jobs? Dude. I’m a doctor. I prefer Doctors who don't say "Dude".
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Post by guest2 on Feb 3, 2019 20:58:13 GMT -5
Dude, you're a doctor??? And you said in your opening post that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS)/Fribromyalgia is "a made up disease" and "not real" ts89 and his posts perfectly exemplify Kelli's experience. I will start with this. Check out the links below if you believe that ME/CFS doesn't exist: - Ian Lipkin, world's most celebrated virologist, Columbia Univ. link
- Ron Davis, Stanford, OMF and Genome Tech Center (someone let Dr. Davis know that his own son is faking it) link and link
- Maureen Hanson, Cornell, link
- See "Unrest" on NetFlix
- Ron Tompkins, Harvard link
Admittedly I don't know as much about Fibromyalgia, but I do know that the two diseases are related and often co-exist. Look it up. My son has been an ME/CFS sufferer for 11 years. He was the best volleyball player his age in high school before he came down with it. Talented, athletic and smart. Now he is housebound. Our experience has been a lot like Kelli's (and an estimated 1-3 million others in the U.S.), which is typical for ME/CFS/Fibromyalgia patients. Doctors misdiagnosed and dismissed his symptoms. Disbelief by family and friends. Years of doctor-hopping trying to find someone with answers or who would even take on his case. Finally getting the correct diagnosis only to find that there is no cure and most of the medical community and the CDC/NIH barely seem to care (or are openly antagonistic like ts89). There are a few meds that help some sufferers with a symptom or two, but since meds are mostly ineffective people start turning to supplement cocktails. Is it really any wonder that these patients turn to something other than traditional medicine, which has nothing effective yet to offer? Patients are desperate to find something that works and when they do, they spread the word hoping that others will benefit as well. So I'm grateful Kelli is sharing it and I will be looking into it. I honestly cannot believe these disgusting vicious posts about something and someone that the posters on this board know little or nothing about. And most of all ts89 for being a prime example of an ignorant and uncaring doctor that disseminates misinformation, made even more egregious by being the creator of this thread (with a misspelled title no less)!!! SMH. The fact that Kelli can even function for 2-3 days while commentating from sun up to sun down is miraculous and inspiring. It's amazing that she even attempted to play through it at USC. She has a new fan in me and I will be cutting her some slack in the future if she ever gets behind the mike again, which I now hope she does. Be grateful you have your health and don't have to deal with debilitating diseases and misinformation. I have to believe that this thread is an aberration and hope you all will be the kind people you are in real life. Why assume other people have no experience with chronic diseases? There is nothing wrong with most of your sentiments, but you either misread or misheard a number of things. For example, Kelli now claims she does not have fibromyalgia Two years ago she claimed she had cured that disease with her diet and by abandoning her prescribed medication. My main issue with her, beyond her putrid performance as an announcer, began when I saw that idiotic claim - the diet/no medication cure - but when she later said she didn't have fibromyalgia, but still left that BS all over the internet. That is the same as misleading people in my view, and of course no harm could come of telling people with chronic illness to stop taking medication and cure themselves with fad diets, no no danger at all there Two years later she is still talking about her constant pain so it looks like she was wrong about both 1) the disease she had and 2) whether her alleged cure actually worked. Anyone can make a mistake, even one that dumb, but did she get those articles taken down? No. They are still all over the internet. That previous mistake, advancing a cure that doesn't work for a disease she doesn't have, should have led her to be more cautious about recommending quackery to other people, but she has created a cottage industry for herself doing just that. Is she being dishonest or just really f'n dumb? Who knows Also I dont care how difficult it is for her to do her job, she stinks at it.
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Post by tstokke on Feb 3, 2019 23:12:08 GMT -5
I prefer Doctors who don't say "Dude". Not me, I'd love to have a doctor who can talk to, and relate to people. Had enough of stuffy, pompous *sses trying to talk down to me. Just as long as you don't sound like Beavis or Turtle from North Shore. :-)
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Post by crunch on Feb 4, 2019 1:10:15 GMT -5
Dude, you're a doctor??? And you said in your opening post that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS)/Fribromyalgia is "a made up disease" and "not real" ts89 and his posts perfectly exemplify Kelli's experience. I will start with this. Check out the links below if you believe that ME/CFS doesn't exist: - Ian Lipkin, world's most celebrated virologist, Columbia Univ. link
- Ron Davis, Stanford, OMF and Genome Tech Center (someone let Dr. Davis know that his own son is faking it) link and link
- Maureen Hanson, Cornell, link
- See "Unrest" on NetFlix
- Ron Tompkins, Harvard link
Admittedly I don't know as much about Fibromyalgia, but I do know that the two diseases are related and often co-exist. Look it up. My son has been an ME/CFS sufferer for 11 years. He was the best volleyball player his age in high school before he came down with it. Talented, athletic and smart. Now he is housebound. Our experience has been a lot like Kelli's (and an estimated 1-3 million others in the U.S.), which is typical for ME/CFS/Fibromyalgia patients. Doctors misdiagnosed and dismissed his symptoms. Disbelief by family and friends. Years of doctor-hopping trying to find someone with answers or who would even take on his case. Finally getting the correct diagnosis only to find that there is no cure and most of the medical community and the CDC/NIH barely seem to care (or are openly antagonistic like ts89). There are a few meds that help some sufferers with a symptom or two, but since meds are mostly ineffective people start turning to supplement cocktails. Is it really any wonder that these patients turn to something other than traditional medicine, which has nothing effective yet to offer? Patients are desperate to find something that works and when they do, they spread the word hoping that others will benefit as well. So I'm grateful Kelli is sharing it and I will be looking into it. I honestly cannot believe these disgusting vicious posts about something and someone that the posters on this board know little or nothing about. And most of all ts89 for being a prime example of an ignorant and uncaring doctor that disseminates misinformation, made even more egregious by being the creator of this thread (with a misspelled title no less)!!! SMH. The fact that Kelli can even function for 2-3 days while commentating from sun up to sun down is miraculous and inspiring. It's amazing that she even attempted to play through it at USC. She has a new fan in me and I will be cutting her some slack in the future if she ever gets behind the mike again, which I now hope she does. Be grateful you have your health and don't have to deal with debilitating diseases and misinformation. I have to believe that this thread is an aberration and hope you all will be the kind people you are in real life. Why assume other people have no experience with chronic diseases? There is nothing wrong with most of your sentiments, but you either misread or misheard a number of things. For example, Kelli now claims she does not have fibromyalgia Two years ago she claimed she had cured that disease with her diet and by abandoning her prescribed medication. My main issue with her, beyond her putrid performance as an announcer, began when I saw that idiotic claim - the diet/no medication cure - but when she later said she didn't have fibromyalgia, but still left that BS all over the internet. That is the same as misleading people in my view, and of course no harm could come of telling people with chronic illness to stop taking medication and cure themselves with fad diets, no no danger at all there Two years later she is still talking about her constant pain so it looks like she was wrong about both 1) the disease she had and 2) whether her alleged cure actually worked. Anyone can make a mistake, even one that dumb, but did she get those articles taken down? No. They are still all over the internet. That previous mistake, advancing a cure that doesn't work for a disease she doesn't have, should have led her to be more cautious about recommending quackery to other people, but she has created a cottage industry for herself doing just that. Is she being dishonest or just really f'n dumb? Who knows Also I dont care how difficult it is for her to do her job, she stinks at it. Ok well, I don't know all the details of what her situation is and neither do you. I'm sorry that she sounds contradictory and confused. But my main point is the same. Someone on this board claimed to be an authority on ME/CFS/FM saying that these are not real diseases. I am not going to let that go. I will trust my first hand experience and numerous Nobel laureates on that subject over an arrogant physician who publicly dismisses and humiliates suffering people. And let me repeat, there is no cure, and meds are minimally effective or not at all for these diseases. And when you run into a situation where many doctors don't believe you and dismiss your condition as "fake" (thank you ts89 for being a perfect example of what these patients face), and there are no effective meds, where else are you going to go? Alternative medicine is all you've got. These people are starved for anything that will make them better no matter the source. Do you blame people with incurable cancer for going to Mexico to seek alternative treatments when traditional medicine can do nothing more for them? Please stop with the judgement on at least that part of her life.
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Post by crunch on Feb 4, 2019 1:13:55 GMT -5
I prefer Doctors who don't say "Dude". Not me, I'd love to have a doctor who can talk to, and relate to people. Had enough of stuffy, pompous *sses trying to talk down to me. Just as long as you don't sound like Beavis or Turtle from North Shore. :-) Well this guy will not only talk down to you, but dismiss your illness as not real and then go on a message board and publicly humiliate you. I would steer clear.
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Post by greenpier on Feb 4, 2019 12:39:03 GMT -5
So zero jobs means you’re better than someone who has had 3 jobs? Dude. I’m a doctor. A practicing Proctologist?
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Post by 405LAX on Feb 4, 2019 12:52:14 GMT -5
This post has 5 pages too many for its subject.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 4, 2019 15:15:11 GMT -5
Alternative medicine is all you've got. These people are starved for anything that will make them better no matter the source. Do you blame people with incurable cancer for going to Mexico to seek alternative treatments when traditional medicine can do nothing more for them? Please stop with the judgement on at least that part of her life. The woman is suffering. She is trying to find relief. I hope she finds health for her body and peace for her mind.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 4, 2019 15:19:38 GMT -5
Also I dont care how difficult it is for her to do her job, she stinks at it. You are beating this to death. I agree with you but let us move on.
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Post by ts89yahoo on Feb 4, 2019 17:09:29 GMT -5
Wow this thread took an interesting turn. First of all, emotional poster (crunch), it would be easier to respond if your posts were less histrionic. It seems like this a personal issue for you so maybe it isn't exactly possible for you to come at this from a logic based perspective. I am sorry that your family member has been dealing with a chronic pain/fatigue issue. I know that really stinks. I think you may have misread (or more likely misinterpreted because I wasn't specific) but I said "Most of those diseases aren’t real. The ones that are are wildly misconstrued by patients and the public in general." The ones that are not "real" or are so wildly misused by her were specifically: "chronic EBV infection, and "MTHFR mutation." Chronic EBV is a syndrome where a patient is unable to clear their viremia during an infection and remains with mononuceleosis symptoms for an extended period of time. It is INCREDIBLY rare and they are usually quite ill for some time. However it does not present as "on and off" symptoms from "reactivation" for years as Kelli has described. We unfortunately have seen "alternative" practitioners or basically quacks use situations that like this and Chronic Lyme to bring in clients. Chronic lyme does absolutely not exist even though it got so popular several societies put out a joint statement about the misleading term. People who suffer from a constellation set of debilitating symptoms often are desperate for a cure and latch onto hope. It is easy to let a patient believe because they have a positive antibody titer, that their symptoms can be attributed to that. Unfortunately, a very many people have been exposed to EBV and whether they had mono or not, their serum remains positive for the antibodies. While not as high as a prevalence, the same goes for Lyme. This is mostly an example of disingenuous practitioners taking advantage of a vulnerable and desperate population (which isn't the population's fault, but it doesn't make the diagnosis real). The issue with the "MTHFR mutation" is actually a new one. With the advancement of personal genetic mapping, people have found new niches to essentially rip people off and push sham treatments. A lot of the 23andme or ancestry tests that map your genome come up with certain polymorphisms that some people have and others do not. Most of the time these are clinically insignificant. But, cash rules the world so quacks have started proposing to people willing to listen that their harmless genetic variance is a disease. And guess what?? They offer a treatment at a reasonable price. This clown Ben Lynch (who is a naturopath which means they know nothing about medicine) has been identified as a key player in the scam. www.forbes.com/sites/brittmariehermes/2016/11/14/genetic-sequence-exploited-supplement-industry/#36b529e92e67This post is getting long quickly so I will be more brief with the rest of her examples which include "leaky guy" and "SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth)." The former associated with inflammatory bowel disease or intestinal surgeries which as far as know Kelli does/did not have. And the other is a diagnosable and treatable condition. However sometime it gets thrown into the mix of patients who have chronic non specific GI symptoms. She may or may not have actually had this. Who knows. I am not denying the existence of fibro, CFS. I see them everyday. However as others have explained to you Kelli diagnosed herself with it, treated it with some random cure, then admitted she did not actually have it. I do not know the exact sequence of the events as it is not relevant to my opinion of her. It does go to show her playing fast and loose with diagnoses, treatments, and alternative treatments. And as you have alluded as far as we know there is no cure. So when I see her doing intense workouts with full makeup and donning Lulu lemom yoga pants, I am skeptical of the degree or even existence of her disease. You are being a little unfair with your speculation of the level of my empathy. I see patients every day with DEBILITATING chronic illness. They are not on national TV or doing spin/hot yoga classes on social media. They usually look like %*$# and miserable. Maybe because I am exposed to the sickest of the sick, I may have a little less tolerance for those who ham up their symptoms. I know I absolutely do when I feel like they are doing it for social media influence and likes/followers, and subsequent advertising money. She is clearly doing this. Hence her plugging fancy UNREGULATED supplements and her quack doctor diagnosing made up diseases while on AVP instagram takeover when she should be discussing volleyball!? It's also possible that some of you defending don't know that discussing psychiatric disorders is literally a staple of social media influencers. I can go find you 10 insta-hoes who have long videos or posts about their anxiety, stress, gut problems, yadda yadda in about 5 minutes. This is a common method used by them to seem more human and relatable to their target audiences thus increasing their one and only goal, exposure and money. If you are a bit older and don't give a %*$# about social media, I wouldn't be surprised if this trend was unknown to you. As someone who treats patients with real disease it's probably affects me more when I see people inflating their medical problems essentially to furthur advertising reach. Any longer for this post and the site will crash. I apologize for errors/typos. To the guy who keeps harping on my lack of broadcasting career? I don't even know what your point is. I don't have to work for CBS to know she sucks at her job as nearly ever poster has agreed (even the ones defending her as a person). If you think being a incompetent broadcaster who's pretty and has a lot of social media followers is success, be my guest. To the guy who doesn't want his doctor to say dude. Your prerogative. Usually I want the physicians I work with and see myself/family to be competent more than unnecessarily formal(on a online forum no less...not even with a patient). To the guy who likes his doctor saying dude. My man.
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on Feb 4, 2019 19:53:41 GMT -5
Wow this thread took an interesting turn. First of all, emotional poster (crunch), it would be easier to respond if your posts were less histrionic. It seems like this a personal issue for you so maybe it isn't exactly possible for you to come at this from a logic based perspective. I am sorry that your family member has been dealing with a chronic pain/fatigue issue. I know that really stinks. I think you may have misread (or more likely misinterpreted because I wasn't specific) but I said "Most of those diseases aren’t real. The ones that are are wildly misconstrued by patients and the public in general." The ones that are not "real" or are so wildly misused by her were specifically: "chronic EBV infection, and "MTHFR mutation." Chronic EBV is a syndrome where a patient is unable to clear their viremia during an infection and remains with mononuceleosis symptoms for an extended period of time. It is INCREDIBLY rare and they are usually quite ill for some time. However it does not present as "on and off" symptoms from "reactivation" for years as Kelli has described. We unfortunately have seen "alternative" practitioners or basically quacks use situations that like this and Chronic Lyme to bring in clients. Chronic lyme does absolutely not exist even though it got so popular several societies put out a joint statement about the misleading term. People who suffer from a constellation set of debilitating symptoms often are desperate for a cure and latch onto hope. It is easy to let a patient believe because they have a positive antibody titer, that their symptoms can be attributed to that. Unfortunately, a very many people have been exposed to EBV and whether they had mono or not, their serum remains positive for the antibodies. While not as high as a prevalence, the same goes for Lyme. This is mostly an example of disingenuous practitioners taking advantage of a vulnerable and desperate population (which isn't the population's fault, but it doesn't make the diagnosis real). The issue with the "MTHFR mutation" is actually a new one. With the advancement of personal genetic mapping, people have found new niches to essentially rip people off and push sham treatments. A lot of the 23andme or ancestry tests that map your genome come up with certain polymorphisms that some people have and others do not. Most of the time these are clinically insignificant. But, cash rules the world so quacks have started proposing to people willing to listen that their harmless genetic variance is a disease. And guess what?? They offer a treatment at a reasonable price. This clown Ben Lynch (who is a naturopath which means they know nothing about medicine) has been identified as a key player in the scam. www.forbes.com/sites/brittmariehermes/2016/11/14/genetic-sequence-exploited-supplement-industry/#36b529e92e67This post is getting long quickly so I will be more brief with the rest of her examples which include "leaky guy" and "SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth)." The former associated with inflammatory bowel disease or intestinal surgeries which as far as know Kelli does/did not have. And the other is a diagnosable and treatable condition. However sometime it gets thrown into the mix of patients who have chronic non specific GI symptoms. She may or may not have actually had this. Who knows. I am not denying the existence of fibro, CFS. I see them everyday. However as others have explained to you Kelli diagnosed herself with it, treated it with some random cure, then admitted she did not actually have it. I do not know the exact sequence of the events as it is not relevant to my opinion of her. It does go to show her playing fast and loose with diagnoses, treatments, and alternative treatments. And as you have alluded as far as we know there is no cure. So when I see her doing intense workouts with full makeup and donning Lulu lemom yoga pants, I am skeptical of the degree or even existence of her disease. You are being a little unfair with your speculation of the level of my empathy. I see patients every day with DEBILITATING chronic illness. They are not on national TV or doing spin/hot yoga classes on social media. They usually look like %*$# and miserable. Maybe because I am exposed to the sickest of the sick, I may have a little less tolerance for those who ham up their symptoms. I know I absolutely do when I feel like they are doing it for social media influence and likes/followers, and subsequent advertising money. She is clearly doing this. Hence her plugging fancy UNREGULATED supplements and her quack doctor diagnosing made up diseases while on AVP instagram takeover when she should be discussing volleyball!? It's also possible that some of you defending don't know that discussing psychiatric disorders is literally a staple of social media influencers. I can go find you 10 insta-hoes who have long videos or posts about their anxiety, stress, gut problems, yadda yadda in about 5 minutes. This is a common method used by them to seem more human and relatable to their target audiences thus increasing their one and only goal, exposure and money. If you are a bit older and don't give a %*$# about social media, I wouldn't be surprised if this trend was unknown to you. As someone who treats patients with real disease it's probably affects me more when I see people inflating their medical problems essentially to furthur advertising reach. Any longer for this post and the site will crash. I apologize for errors/typos. To the guy who keeps harping on my lack of broadcasting career? I don't even know what your point is. I don't have to work for CBS to know she sucks at her job as nearly ever poster has agreed (even the ones defending her as a person). If you think being a incompetent broadcaster who's pretty and has a lot of social media followers is success, be my guest. To the guy who doesn't want his doctor to say dude. Your prerogative. Usually I want the physicians I work with and see myself/family to be competent more than unnecessarily formal(on a online forum no less...not even with a patient). To the guy who likes his doctor saying dude. My man. Just a quick observation, but how do you have so much time to post being a Doctor and all?
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