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Post by holidayhusker on Mar 14, 2019 21:41:31 GMT -5
And it’s so easy to jump on the out rage wagon as long as twe have done nothing questionable to further our children’s future .How many of you can say that? Aside from paying their tuition, I can say that. Starting at the age of 5, I constantly reminded them that it was up to them to shape how their lives would turn out. (When they were 5, not when I was 5.) Beyond tuition, I was not going to help them out financially. This also includes refusing to "call in favors" or "make a few phone calls" to get them into exclusive organizations or schools -- or even waiting lists to said organizations. Ditto for jobs. You get the grades, create your resume, apply for jobs, go interview, and get it on your own merits. It was that or the highway. . So, you could afford to pay for their tuition so working on those scholarship applications and encouraging them to do lots of Community service wasn’t necessary? Embellishing their accomplishments Just a tad was also not necessary?
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 14, 2019 21:45:19 GMT -5
Aside from paying their tuition, I can say that. Starting at the age of 5, I constantly reminded them that it was up to them to shape how their lives would turn out. (When they were 5, not when I was 5.) Beyond tuition, I was not going to help them out financially. This also includes refusing to "call in favors" or "make a few phone calls" to get them into exclusive organizations or schools -- or even waiting lists to said organizations. Ditto for jobs. You get the grades, create your resume, apply for jobs, go interview, and get it on your own merits. It was that or the highway. . So, you could afford to pay for their tuition so working on those scholarship applications and encouraging them to do lots of customer service wasn’t necessary? You know, a funny thing happens when you raise your kids to be self-reliant and thoughtful and place a high value on work ethic: They start to become smarter and work harder. And, without my prompting, they applied for (and got) scholarships on their own. In high school, they never sat around thinking, "Oh, boy, Dad and Mom got my college tuition all set up. I'm taking a nap."
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 14, 2019 21:47:23 GMT -5
And it’s so easy to jump on the out rage wagon as long as twe have done nothing questionable to further our children’s future .How many of you can say that? Aside from paying their tuition, I can say that. Starting at the age of 5, I constantly reminded them that it was up to them to shape how their lives would turn out. (When they were 5, not when I was 5.) Beyond tuition, I was not going to help them out financially. This also includes refusing to "call in favors" or "make a few phone calls" to get them into exclusive organizations or schools -- or even waiting lists to said organizations. Ditto for jobs. You get the grades, create your resume, apply for jobs, go interview, and get it on your own merits. It was that or the highway. It's a fine line. It's one thing to say they are on their own. But it's easy though for some to wash their hands of responsibility of their children-then they would become negligent parents. But have they offer them proper guidance? To teach them certain rules of the world? It's easy to kick them out the door at 18 and say they are on their own, but have the parents taught them life skills to make it? Or at least increase their chances to make it? I have heard one parent say, hey, it's "sink or swim" out there. Maybe, but it is the responsiblity of the parents to help them increase the chances of "swimming". Otherwise, why have kids in the first place? It is natural to want them to succeed. The key is to find the right balance. Instill the right values and teach them how to look after themselves, but not simply laid out a golden path for them. Their path they have to seek on their own. But the parents have to be there to offer advice and support.
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Post by holidayhusker on Mar 14, 2019 21:47:34 GMT -5
. So, you could afford to pay for their tuition so working on those scholarship applications and encouraging them to do lots of customer service wasn’t necessary? You know, a funny thing happens when you raise your kids to be self-reliant and thoughtful and place a high value on work ethic: They start to become smarter and work harder. And, without my prompting, they applied for (and got) scholarships on their own. In high school, they never sat around thinking, "Oh, boy, Dad and Mom got my college tuition all set up. I'm taking a nap." You just admitted you paid their tuition, do you think all parents can afford to pay their kids tuition? Do you know how many struggling parents do everything they can to make sure their kids are educated? Why would they require scholarships if you could more than afford their tuition? You sound like a wonderful parent. While I don’t understand why wealthy celebrities would stoop so low I can understand desperate parents who want more for their kids then they had when growing up
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 14, 2019 21:48:38 GMT -5
I wonder. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you do the same? It's easy to say "no", I'm above bribery and fraud. But honestly? You can't deny there is that temptation. The better question is can you resist it? Not justifying their action in any way of course, but I'm assessing human nature. Its' like adultery. The vast majority of Americans will condemn it on religious and moral grounds, yet, the fact remains many Americans still do it. Especially people who should have known better. People who are supposed to set examples for others to follow. Like certain religious and political leaders who were exposed with extra-martial affairs. Yes, they are hypocrites. But the more interesting question is why? Nope. No temptation. It was easy peasy. It was in my kids' best interest that they figure things out and get what they want on their own. It's okay to struggle. And if they ever cheated, wow, hell hath no fury... For you and me perhaps, but for others...I'm not so sure. Temptation can be strong. People who appear upright and honest when in fact they are not. The interesting question is why is that?
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Post by diskprotek on Mar 14, 2019 22:24:40 GMT -5
. I feel sorry for them them also, This kind of elitist abuse has been going on for centuries but yet were out raged now? And please, hallmark, the company that fires a middle-aged man for daring to be middle-aged as the Host of their morning program,is taking the high road? It’s all about the Benjamin’s not to borrow a phrase I really do feel sorry for the 2 girls. In the span of 3 days they leave college, their worlds have been turned upside down and the national spot light on this story has got to be depressing. Can't say I feel sorry for them at all. They withdrew b/c they knew they were going to be kicked out. That's like quitting so you can say you weren't fired. Let's step back for a second. Their parents screwed up for sure. However, both kids filled out applications to USC. Both had to have lied on their applications about their "crew" experience. The common application has a whole section on "activities". To keep up the façade of their story, they had to have listed crew-related activities on their common application. You don't think those were going to be reviewed to determine whether they participated in the fraud? USC already stated that they were going to review every student who got in through the scheme. Bullying is being picked on without proper cause. It's more like they were going to be ridiculed for defrauding their way into school.
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Post by hammer on Mar 14, 2019 22:31:07 GMT -5
. So, you could afford to pay for their tuition so working on those scholarship applications and encouraging them to do lots of customer service wasn’t necessary? You know, a funny thing happens when you raise your kids to be self-reliant and thoughtful and place a high value on work ethic: They start to become smarter and work harder. And, without my prompting, they applied for (and got) scholarships on their own. In high school, they never sat around thinking, "Oh, boy, Dad and Mom got my college tuition all set up. I'm taking a nap." Channeling your inner Charles Darwin -- well played!
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 14, 2019 22:38:04 GMT -5
You know, a funny thing happens when you raise your kids to be self-reliant and thoughtful and place a high value on work ethic: They start to become smarter and work harder. And, without my prompting, they applied for (and got) scholarships on their own. In high school, they never sat around thinking, "Oh, boy, Dad and Mom got my college tuition all set up. I'm taking a nap." Channeling your inner Charles Darwin -- well played! Ah, but that raises an interesting question on surivial of the fittist...what if your kid is not the "fittist"?
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Post by hammer on Mar 14, 2019 22:46:08 GMT -5
Channeling your inner Charles Darwin -- well played! Ah, but that raises an interesting question on surivial of the fittist...what if your kid is not the "fittist"? I can't speak for Darwin but I think he would say "under the most extreme conditions". Living in the United States growing up in the Wolfgang household might have been a little tough, but not the most extreme conditions.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 14, 2019 22:49:16 GMT -5
Ah, but that raises an interesting question on surivial of the fittist...what if your kid is not the "fittist"? I can't speak for Darwin but I think he would say "under the most extreme conditions". Living in the United States growing up in the Wolfgang household might have been a little tough, but not the most extreme conditions.Hehe, I wonder how one defines "extreme"...fascinating to ponder. The US...we wouldn't call it a land of extremes, we like to say it's a land of opportunity if you are prepared to seize your chances and work hard for it. That's the American dream. But I wonder how true is that still today?
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Post by hammer on Mar 14, 2019 23:05:51 GMT -5
I can't speak for Darwin but I think he would say "under the most extreme conditions". Living in the United States growing up in the Wolfgang household might have been a little tough, but not the most extreme conditions.Hehe, I wonder how one defines "extreme"...fascinating to ponder. The US...we wouldn't call it a land of extremes, we like to say it's a land of opportunity if you are prepared to seize your chances and work hard for it. That's the American dream. But I wonder how true is that still today? Hard to say IMO. Historically you can look at the bread and soup lines of the 30's versus the abundance or the 50's -- what a change in only 20 years. It does seem to go in cycles.
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Post by uscyaaa on Mar 14, 2019 23:45:29 GMT -5
Has anyone seen any news that Donna Heinel was arrested and had to post bond? I’ve seen plenty about her being fired, but nothing about being arrested. It was nice to see that Donna was able to make money on the side.... link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 0:39:10 GMT -5
This is about arrogant rich people being stupid and from the sounds of it with kids who aren't really repentant or deserving of pity either. There were plenty of other ways available like endowing chairs, constructing buildings. But those take time and these parents chose the Walmart approach to school bribery.
It won't teach kids like Laughlin a lesson regardless. She has money, fame, boys. There's nothing else to life for her. USC was an inconvenience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 1:35:11 GMT -5
This is about arrogant rich people being stupid and from the sounds of it with kids who aren't really repentant or deserving of pity either. There were plenty of other ways available like endowing chairs, constructing buildings. But those take time and these parents chose the Walmart approach to school bribery. It won't teach kids like Laughlin a lesson regardless. She has money, fame, boys. There's nothing else to life for her. USC was an inconvenience. Abject banal greed, immaturity, pompous egos and stupidity seem to be a common theme, and traits, of these 'privileged' morons: NOT All of whom are associated w/ usc.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 15, 2019 2:37:22 GMT -5
Has anyone seen any news that Donna Heinel was arrested and had to post bond? I’ve seen plenty about her being fired, but nothing about being arrested. It was nice to see that Donna was able to make money on the side.... linkClear the Clearinghouse ... when your check clears. She was conducting workshops for her side business ON CAMPUS in the Galen Center and no one cared.
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