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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 16, 2019 21:05:13 GMT -5
You lose your job in a major scandal like this along with your source of income - all topped by the fact that you're paying a small fortune for attorneys to keep your sorry ass out of jail - and you probably need to put your house on the market. Your prospects of landing a similar cushy job in your field may be slim for a few seasons. Well, yeah, if you are in prison it's hard to hold down a role in a TV show. Otherwise, this is showbiz, where there is no such thing as bad publicity. (Not strictly true, but I think a lot of people will be willing to forgive mommy and daddy just trying to help their kids.)
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 16, 2019 21:19:18 GMT -5
So you don’t care if they’re innocent or not, you just care whether they can use their constitutional rights to get out of it. I care a great deal about both of them. And you think they honestly believe in their own innocence?
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 16, 2019 21:26:28 GMT -5
And you think they honestly believe in their own innocence? Aunt Becky believes she was manipulated and her legal representation believe they can beat these charges And I believe that Aunt Becky is full of it.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 16, 2019 21:36:18 GMT -5
I care a great deal about both of them. And you think they honestly believe in their own innocence? As of this point, there is zero evidence that suggests Lori Loughlin and Massimo Giannulli believe they’ve done wrong. Quite the opposite really.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2019 21:50:40 GMT -5
And you think they honestly believe in their own innocence? As of this point, there is zero evidence that suggests Lori Loughlin and Massimo Giannulli believe they’ve done wrong. Quite the opposite really. I don't know about that, I mean, these Mossimo volleyball shorts are so wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 21:58:26 GMT -5
And you think they honestly believe in their own innocence? As of this point, there is zero evidence that suggests Lori Loughlin and Massimo Giannulli believe they’ve done wrong. Quite the opposite really.
How do you know there is "zero evidence." ? Stop pre-judging and let Due Process [remember the 5th and 14th Amendments to OUR Constitution?] prevail.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 16, 2019 22:06:50 GMT -5
As of this point, there is zero evidence that suggests Lori Loughlin and Massimo Giannulli believe they’ve done wrong. Quite the opposite really.
How do you know there is "zero evidence." ? Stop pre-judging and let Due Process [remember the 5th and 14th Amendments to OUR Constitution?] prevail.
I didn’t say there was zero evidence they didn’t commit a crime, I said there was zero evidence that suggests they BELIEVE they committed a crime. We don’t need the courts to decide before we know whether Donald Trump believes he committed a crime. These celebrities telegraph their thoughts via social media and when they’re not their close “friends” are leaking it for them, oftentimes purposely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 22:14:45 GMT -5
How do you know there is "zero evidence." ? Stop pre-judging and let Due Process [remember the 5th and 14th Amendments to OUR Constitution?] prevail.
I didn’t say there was zero evidence they didn’t commit a crime, I said there was zero evidence that suggests they BELIEVE they committed a crime. We don’t need the courts to decide before we know whether Donald Trump believes he committed a crime. These celebrities telegraph their thoughts via social media and when they’re not their close “friends” are leaking it for them, oftentimes purposely. Maybe a distinction without a difference? If they plead "not guilty," why on earth -besides possible Trumpist "disingenuity"- would they provide evidence suggesting they in fact were guilty of what they plead not guilty to?
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 16, 2019 22:16:56 GMT -5
I didn’t say there was zero evidence they didn’t commit a crime, I said there was zero evidence that suggests they BELIEVE they committed a crime. We don’t need the courts to decide before we know whether Donald Trump believes he committed a crime. These celebrities telegraph their thoughts via social media and when they’re not their close “friends” are leaking it for them, oftentimes purposely. Maybe a distinction without a difference? If they plead "not guilty," why on earth -besides possible Trumpist stupidity- would they provide evidence suggesting they in fact were guilty of what they plead not guilty to? I do think they’re at that level of stupidity. Edit for further clarity: I believe they’re stupid, entitled brats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 22:34:18 GMT -5
Maybe a distinction without a difference? If they plead "not guilty," why on earth -besides possible Trumpist stupidity- would they provide evidence suggesting they in fact were guilty of what they plead not guilty to? I do think they’re at that level of stupidity. Edit for further clarity: I believe they’re stupid, entitled brats. You may well be correct. However, I believe they will be represented by competent counsel. I, for one, look forward to seeing how this plays out in the courts, not the tabloids.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 16, 2019 22:52:50 GMT -5
I do think they’re at that level of stupidity. Edit for further clarity: I believe they’re stupid, entitled brats. You may well be correct. However, I believe they will be represented by competent counsel. I, for one, look forward to seeing how this plays out in the courts, not the tabloids. It will obviously be very interesting to see how this plays out in the courts, I agree. However... I’m not going to turn my nose up at the coverage media outlets give them because personally I think this is the perfect embodiment of the cultural shift that has happened in youth sports. And Loughlin/Giannulli are great examples of where parents can go wrong. You see their behavior on a much much smaller (and less damaging) scale at the junior sports level. There are an abundance of parents who just do not seem to hold the ideology that their child must themselves earn what they’re given. A parent emails/calls a club director to receive assurance their child will be on the top team. Or to insist their child deserves more playing time. Or to offer a donation to the program knowing it’ll curry their child favor. We know these things happen behind closed doors, and usually without the child knowing. And oftentimes these calls are paired with threats to leave for a competitor club or to get a certain coach fired, etc. To me, it’s not just the court ruling that matters. How Loughlin/Giannulli behave matters as well because they are a representation of a lot of what is wrong with parenting in our current culture. And I think it is critically important for people who deal with parents to pay attention to these two and their thought process.
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Post by Mocha on Apr 16, 2019 23:35:30 GMT -5
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Post by trainermch on Apr 17, 2019 7:36:13 GMT -5
Proceeds to the feds. "Secluded patio" - too bad Wolfgang let this one get away.
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Post by volleylearner on Apr 17, 2019 9:44:12 GMT -5
You may well be correct. However, I believe they will be represented by competent counsel. I, for one, look forward to seeing how this plays out in the courts, not the tabloids. Let me start by saying that this is a prediction/hypothesis of how these people will defend themselves...not a defense of them. I suspect that their defense will center around the same thing that a lot of people have said: this really isn't any different than donating $50 million for a building. I think the USC defendants present a particularly interesting case because there was a senior official in the athletics department who was actively involved in the scheme. If the parents are hearing that someone in the athletics department has said that this is OK (as opposed to just a coach taking a bribe) and that if they give $50k to the athletics department (and $200k to another education-related charity) everything is OK, I frankly don't find it too remarkable that a parent would think, "well if USC is OK with this...I guess it must be OK." I understand (and agree) that their actions show that the knew it was shady. Singer told them not to mention it to the athletics director. I just think that in making their defense in court they're going to try to take full advantage of the oft-cited belief that this really isn't different than what goes on all the time. I don't agree, but I think that's where they'll go with it. And, to be honest, at least for the ones at USC where there was a senior athletics official involved, I wouldn't be 100% shocked if they got acquitted. Based on my reading of the indictments, I think the non-guilty plea is trying to get a better plea deal. Of course we will find out whether the assertions in the indictments can be proven in court, but there is no wiggle room in the indictments for being duped by Singer or USC. The prosecution alleges to have emails that indicate Giannuli and Loughlin knew they were faking a crew background and also knew the HS guidance counselor caught that lie.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2019 10:05:13 GMT -5
They were already offered a plea deal. When they turned it down, they got slapped with additional money laundering charges. Pleading not guilty was realistically their only option. In the meantime, they can try to negotiate a new plea deal, but the prosecutors seem intent on having the possibility of some jail time in any plea deals.
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