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Post by azvb on May 16, 2019 9:55:57 GMT -5
Three kids, right? Yet 4 schools? Well, each kid got into multiple schools. I mean, was BYU the only school that accepted you? I think you’ve been away from this college game for so long that you forgot basic college admissions counting. (Also, I didn’t list all the schools that accepted them because I’ve forgotten some of them. For example, UCLA.) Sorry, I read those were the schools they chose. What does it cost to apply these days? And yes, I only applied to one school - BYU. I was admitted on a provisional basis. I attended summer school right after graduation, needed a 3.3 to be admitted for the fall. Nailed it.
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Post by azvb on May 16, 2019 9:56:41 GMT -5
Arizona Christian University? Never heard of it!
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Post by yoda on May 16, 2019 10:48:49 GMT -5
Why are Wyoming and Nevada blank? Wyoming kids don't go to college? Anyone can get into UNLV? ...and which is tougher to get into...UNLV or Nevada Reno (or Great Basin College or Nevada State)?
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Post by Phaedrus on May 16, 2019 12:01:12 GMT -5
In my mileau of electrical engineering, I, of course, put Illinois and Georgia Tech up high because that is where I matriculated; I also place places like Berkeley, MIT, and Stanford up there because they have always had strong EE programs; but I also put Virginia Tech, Carnegie Mellon, and Wisconsin .............. You forgot about Purdue. Oops. Yes I did. probably because of the rivalry.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 16, 2019 12:47:37 GMT -5
Why does Hawaii look like blood splatter? LOL! Carleton College in Minnesota doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is Union over Oberlin in Ohio. Having said that, I just looked them up and Oberlin (28% acceptance rate) beats Union College (36.9%), so now I'm wondering where they got their info. Where's the fine print? Also, in case anyone is wondering, that orange partial logo of California is of Joe's Refrigeration and HVAC Technology Institute (Pasadena, CA), my alma mater. Suck it, Stanford! Acceptance rates can be misleading. It's counter intuitive, but Stanford has half the acceptance rate as your alma mater, even though their requirements are lower. People apply to the ivies and the farm in high numbers just for fun when they know they won't get in, but few people apply to your alma mater unless they really understand and love HVAC and know what they are getting into. .... Yes, I understand numbers re. acceptance rates. And yes, you really really must love HVAC (and its corresponding math) to appreciate and survive the rigors of Joe's Refrigeration and HVAC Technology Institute. There were always a not insignificant number of students who transferred out from Joe's. The demands are incredible. Combine 17-18 year olds living away from home for the first time with the absolute insanity of the core curriculum where homework (we called them "problem sets" or "sets") was nightmarish and you're bound to have people wave the white flag.
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Post by Mocha on May 16, 2019 12:59:44 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfgang on May 16, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5
My original point was only that I wonder if in the long term, USC's involvement in this scandal will result in some people learning that it's actually a more highly regarded school than they had realized. I think many people are shocked that it is a highly regarded school. Yes. When I was growing up as a child in the 1970s, USC was just the school that OJ Simpson played for. And then, when I was looking into colleges, USC was never in my radar because I wanted to study engineering. I don't think I ever heard of USC being a really good school until the 1990s when I worked in industry. Some of my coworkers graduated from USC undergrad (followed by highly prestigious grad programs at other schools) and they were always quick to defend USC, like they had a chip on their shoulders. They were smart people so I gave them a break for that one stain on their academic record. Also, if you hang around VT long enough, you'll read lots of posts about how great USC is academically, so I've slowly gotten with the program. But when it was time for my kids to apply to schools, none of them applied to USC. (I did not influence them one way or the other.) One of the VT posters here PM'd me his/her time at USC and I was actually proud of him/her, more proud than I was with my own kids, who were great kids but come on, what parent has not been disappointed in their kids, right? You know what I'm sayin'?
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Post by Disc808 on May 16, 2019 13:03:28 GMT -5
Oops. Yes I did. probably because of the rivalry. And Michigan
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Post by Wolfgang on May 16, 2019 13:10:27 GMT -5
Oops. Yes I did. probably because of the rivalry. And Michigan Phaedrus was listing schools which he had some sort of personal connection with plus a few defaults. He can't be wrong because they're his personal opinions not facts. To me, he's missing a whole buttload of good EE schools but, again, that's because I have my own opinions. Anyway, no one on VT really cares about EE. I mean capacitors, diodes, and math. Ugh...
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Post by Wolfgang on May 16, 2019 13:31:43 GMT -5
Why are Wyoming and Nevada blank? Wyoming kids don't go to college? Anyone can get into UNLV? I saw that and didn't care. I mean, there are a lot of blocky states I don't give a whoop about, Wyoming and Nevada being two of them.
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Post by Phaedrus on May 16, 2019 13:43:00 GMT -5
Phaedrus was listing schools which he had some sort of personal connection with plus a few defaults. He can't be wrong because they're his personal opinions not facts. To me, he's missing a whole buttload of good EE schools but, again, that's because I have my own opinions. Anyway, no one on VT really cares about EE. I mean capacitors, diodes, and math. Ugh... Thank you Wolfgang. Here is the top ten according to www.collegefactual.com/majors/engineering/ee-electrical-engineering/rankings/top-ranked/Top Ten are: Massachusetts Institute of Technology. University of California - Berkeley. California. Cornell University. Stanford University. Georgia Institute of Technology - Main Campus. Carnegie Mellon University. Duke University. California Institute of Technology. U Texas-Austin U Illinois Urbana-Champaign. CalTech I feel is more geared towards the fundamental sciences, chemistry, physics, and they are training future Nobel Prize winners than engineers. Duke I think of in terms of the biomed area of EE, because of the med school. To be honest, I don't know about the Cornell EEs. My area is the electric power and energy, electric machines, and power electronics. @disc808 and bigfan actually made my point: That people think of the university's reputation based on what they know. I know EE and electric power and those are the top schools in the concentration.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 16, 2019 14:00:22 GMT -5
It's an unenforceable contract. Georgetown could offer a refund, but they're under no obligation to do so if the contract is indeed invalid. They could probably also argue that the fraud caused them to expended resources, and ask for the equivalent in tuition as compensation or damages. Obviously, the student realizes he is going to end up with three years wasted and has nothing to lose, but the idea in such an interpretation is to encourage honest negotiations and not reward dishonest ones. I'm not disputing the law with you -- as I recall you are a lawyer. But it just fundamentally seems wrong. If they want to take away all his credits, they should have to give him back his tuition money. There are limited seats. He fraudulently obtained admission that would otherwise have gone to another paying student.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 14:00:24 GMT -5
Phaedrus was listing schools which he had some sort of personal connection with plus a few defaults. He can't be wrong because they're his personal opinions not facts. To me, he's missing a whole buttload of good EE schools but, again, that's because I have my own opinions. Anyway, no one on VT really cares about EE. I mean capacitors, diodes, and math. Ugh... Thank you Wolfgang . Here is the top ten according to www.collegefactual.com/majors/engineering/ee-electrical-engineering/rankings/top-ranked/Top Ten are: Massachusetts Institute of Technology. University of California - Berkeley. California. Cornell University. Stanford University. Georgia Institute of Technology - Main Campus. Carnegie Mellon University. Duke University. California Institute of Technology. U Texas-Austin U Illinois Urbana-Champaign. CalTech I feel is more geared towards the fundamental sciences, chemistry, physics, and they are training future Nobel Prize winners than engineers. Duke I think of in terms of the biomed area of EE, because of the med school. To be honest, I don't know about the Cornell EEs. My area is the electric power and energy, electric machines, and power electronics. @disc808 and bigfan actually made my point: That people think of the university's reputation based on what they know. I know EE and electric power and those are the top schools in the concentration. Interesting point, I have always based my school rankings on the strength of their football or basketball team. Hasn't always worked out for me but has not been terrible either.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 16, 2019 14:01:56 GMT -5
The problem with EE as an example is that computers are sort of an unexpected pregnancy that happened during a three-way between EE and her lovers Logic and Math. So little Computer Science grew up in EE's house, and most of the people who come knocking at EE's door these days are really more interested in taking Computer Science out on a date than they are in visiting EE herself. So when, for instance, MIT has the top-ranked EE program and 1/3 of the undergrads are in that department, is it really because of the EE like Phaedrus does, or is it because of the CS part of "EECS"?
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Post by mikegarrison on May 16, 2019 14:07:10 GMT -5
I'm not disputing the law with you -- as I recall you are a lawyer. But it just fundamentally seems wrong. If they want to take away all his credits, they should have to give him back his tuition money. There are limited seats. He fraudulently obtained admission that would otherwise have gone to another paying student. This is not terribly compelling to me. It applies to any Georgetown student. How many of them faked something on their applications but not through Singer? How many were just better at standardized testing than the others, without actually being better students? And that kid who didn't get into to Georgetown because of this guy who faked a tennis resume -- what happened to him? Did he end up homeless on the street or did he settle for Notre Dame instead? We can't replay time. I still think Georgetown should either agree to let this guy keep his credits or pay him back his tuition money.
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