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Post by Wolfgang on May 21, 2019 18:42:19 GMT -5
F*** that noise.
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Post by tomclen on May 21, 2019 21:09:41 GMT -5
New Deal:
USC can let this one back in....
As long as they bring back this one...
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Post by Phaedrus on May 21, 2019 21:46:07 GMT -5
New Deal:
USC can let this one back in....
As long as they bring back this one...
Forget the former and just do the latter.
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Post by jmax on May 22, 2019 17:38:21 GMT -5
Hopefully this NYT article sheds some light on the myth of the minority advantage in college admission... The share of black freshmen at elite schools is virtually unchanged since 1980. Black students are just 6 percent of freshmen but 15 percent of college-age Americans... More Hispanics are attending elite schools, but the increase has not kept up with the huge growth of young Hispanics in the United States, so the gap between students and the college-age population has widened. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.htmlI don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black, then colleges are that much more eager to close that gap by accepting qualified black applicants. In some cases, it may mean they bend the rules to accept a higher number of marginally qualified black applicants. Similar things can be said about other under represented groups.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 22, 2019 18:29:43 GMT -5
Hopefully this NYT article sheds some light on the myth of the minority advantage in college admission... The share of black freshmen at elite schools is virtually unchanged since 1980. Black students are just 6 percent of freshmen but 15 percent of college-age Americans... More Hispanics are attending elite schools, but the increase has not kept up with the huge growth of young Hispanics in the United States, so the gap between students and the college-age population has widened. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.htmlI don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black, then colleges are that much more eager to close that gap by accepting qualified black applicants. In some cases, it may mean they bend the rules to accept a higher number of marginally qualified black applicants. Similar things can be said about other under represented groups. What?! No, you are the one who is not making sense.
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Post by tomclen on May 22, 2019 19:38:07 GMT -5
I don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black. . . 98.7% of all statistics are made up.
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Post by shawty on May 22, 2019 21:01:09 GMT -5
Hopefully this NYT article sheds some light on the myth of the minority advantage in college admission... The share of black freshmen at elite schools is virtually unchanged since 1980. Black students are just 6 percent of freshmen but 15 percent of college-age Americans... More Hispanics are attending elite schools, but the increase has not kept up with the huge growth of young Hispanics in the United States, so the gap between students and the college-age population has widened. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.htmlI don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black, then colleges are that much more eager to close that gap by accepting qualified black applicants. In some cases, it may mean they bend the rules to accept a higher number of marginally qualified black applicants. Similar things can be said about other under represented groups. I acknowledge the possibility, but in the absence of actual data supporting that hypothesis, I have to look at what the available data says. If there is an advantage in identifying as black or Hispanic on applications, 40 years of data doesn't bear it out.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 21:18:03 GMT -5
I don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black. . . 98.7% of all statistics are made up. I assume you are 100% confident about this.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 22, 2019 21:23:46 GMT -5
I don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black, then colleges are that much more eager to close that gap by accepting qualified black applicants. In some cases, it may mean they bend the rules to accept a higher number of marginally qualified black applicants. Similar things can be said about other under represented groups. I acknowledge the possibility, but in the absence of actual data supporting that hypothesis, I have to look at what the available data says. If there is an advantage in identifying as black or Hispanic on applications, 40 years of data doesn't bear it out. Let's say 15% of all M&Ms are green. We count the M&Ms that a given person chooses to eat over some long period of time, and only 6% of those he actually ate were green. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY this indicates that he gives preference to eating green M&Ms. Almost certainly it indicates the opposite, that for some reason he avoids eating the green ones.
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Post by ned3vball on May 23, 2019 9:10:30 GMT -5
I acknowledge the possibility, but in the absence of actual data supporting that hypothesis, I have to look at what the available data says. If there is an advantage in identifying as black or Hispanic on applications, 40 years of data doesn't bear it out. Let's say 15% of all M&Ms are green. We count the M&Ms that a given person chooses to eat over some long period of time, and only 6% of those he actually ate were green. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY this indicates that he gives preference to eating green M&Ms. Almost certainly it indicates the opposite, that for some reason he avoids eating the green ones. It is apropos that you chose the color green, since is has been, and will continue to be, the most important color in the US for the foreseeable future. College is big business and even at the lower levels it is a significant cost. To get to the reason, the single variable doesn't tell you enough, let's add one more, some of the M&Ms have dollar signs printed on them. It is probably true that a significantly smaller percentage of the green ones will have such a mark, and that that percentage has been about constant over the last 40 years. The person picking may want to select green, as much or more than other colors, but is first required to select a minimum number with dollar signs before anything else. Setting up a catch-22 situation.
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Post by Mocha on May 23, 2019 10:12:08 GMT -5
NYC beverage bigwig pleads guilty in college admissions scandal Big Apple beverage bigwig Gregory Abbott and his wife on Wednesday admitted to paying $125,000 to doctor their daughter’s college entrance scores Prosecutors are recommending the couple — who have homes in Manhattan and Aspen, Colorado — serve 12 months and one day in the slammer as part of a plea deal After their arrest in March, the Abbotts’ blunt-smoking rapper son Malcolm infamously defended his parents in an interview with The Post — while promoting his latest CD.nypost.com/2019/05/22/nyc-beverage-bigwig-pleads-guilty-in-college-admissions-scandal/Gregory Abbott hasn't aged well.
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Post by shawty on May 25, 2019 14:41:29 GMT -5
Makes you wonder who is really getting special treatment in admissions.
WSJ: More affluent students get extra time to take SAT.
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Post by permagrin on May 25, 2019 14:47:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the todd snider clip, he is one of my favorites
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Post by mikegarrison on May 26, 2019 11:38:46 GMT -5
John Oliver last week on the subject of death certificates:
“A death certificate isn’t like a degree from USC. It actually means something.”
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Post by bayarea on May 27, 2019 11:50:28 GMT -5
Hopefully this NYT article sheds some light on the myth of the minority advantage in college admission... The share of black freshmen at elite schools is virtually unchanged since 1980. Black students are just 6 percent of freshmen but 15 percent of college-age Americans... More Hispanics are attending elite schools, but the increase has not kept up with the huge growth of young Hispanics in the United States, so the gap between students and the college-age population has widened. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.htmlI don't think those numbers imply what you are thinking. If only 6% of college freshmen are black, but 15% of the college age population is black, then colleges are that much more eager to close that gap by accepting qualified black applicants. In some cases, it may mean they bend the rules to accept a higher number of marginally qualified black applicants. Similar things can be said about other under represented groups. The number that would be interesting to see is how many of the 15% ^^ even applied to college. If only a small fraction of them did, then 6% would look different. However the reasons that only a fraction of blacks apply to college is pretty depressing: ie. "Only 57 percent of black students have access to the full range of math and science courses necessary for college readiness, compared to 81 percent of Asian American students and 71 percent of white students." www.uncf.org/the-latest/african-americans-and-college-education-by-the-numbersThere are many more articles about the poor resources available to many of these students in high school, and even a poor awareness of their options, compared to white or Asian students. "Since 1994, black enrollment has doubled at institutions that primarily grant associate degrees, including community colleges. In 2013, black students accounted for 16 percent of the student body there, versus 11 percent in 1994...." However, at elite universities..."At Harvard, for example, 6.5 percent of undergraduates were black in 2013, down from 7.4 percent in 1994." www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/black-college-student-body/417189/
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