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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Mar 13, 2020 20:25:48 GMT -5
Is this "normal" (I know that nothing about ANY of this situation in normal so forgive me for that word) for a class action naming one plaintiff, even in the suit itself "Mullen v GLV" and being able to switch it out with someone else? I mean, has this been done before?
Truly curious. Superficially it doesn't seem like a common occurrence but I can't even play a lawyer on tv. LOL
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Post by Maui’s Hook on Mar 14, 2020 0:31:19 GMT -5
Is this "normal" (I know that nothing about ANY of this situation in normal so forgive me for that word) for a class action naming one plaintiff, even in the suit itself "Mullen v GLV" and being able to switch it out with someone else? I mean, has this been done before? Truly curious. Superficially it doesn't seem like a common occurrence but I can't even play a lawyer on tv. LOL Yes, it happens all the time. Whenever the class representative can no longer, fairly represent the class, a new representative will have to be certified. It’s very similar to any person in a representative capacity in a lawsuit to no longer be capable of that representative position, think AG as a original defendant and new AG is in position. No longer a case of class v original AG but class v new AG.
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Post by deohge on Mar 14, 2020 9:47:53 GMT -5
Judge also ruled on motion to sanction defendant/defendant counsel - on that he ruled in favor of plaintiff. Will be curious to see that attorney bill the Butlers will have to pay on 3.27.20. And then we have 4.17.20 date to see if plaintiff gets new representative. The Court hereby reprimands attorney D'Ambrose for communicating directly with a represented party and for making false statements to the Court and orders her to complete, in the next continuing legal education compliance cycle, twice the professional responsibility credit hours required by the state bar. The case is set for a status hearing on April 2, 2020 at 9:30 a.m. ________________________________ MATTHEW F. KENNELLY United States District Judge Date: March 13, 2020 Butler is going to have to pay money and lawyers fees. The lawyer is being sanctioned and could be dis-barred. Wonderful news. $15000 and bookable hours for time spent on the motion. 60 hours for professional responsibility training for D'Ambrose. I did not read anything about possible disbarment. In the grand scheme of things the money spent by the Butlers already in this case, this is a minimal fine. Finding a new representative from the nameless class should be interesting since most of them wanted to remain nameless. We will know more in April.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 15:32:59 GMT -5
Don't loss sight that Butlers have lost well over $2million dollars in gross revenues since lawsuit was filed and even if no replacement class rep can be found, this will not likely change. GLPL is dead or on life support. Pres Day Tourny is a 3rd tier or lower tournament now and pre-nationals tournament is a fraction of what it once was. Those revenue generators will not come back quickly, if ever, and publicity SPVB and Butlers have gotten in last 2 years was NOT good. Additionally, the Judge's ruling on sanctions did find that the Butlers behaved in a coercive manner that was intentional.
personal note - One of the underlying issues in the history of the Ricks sexual abuse past is that the Butlers have acted in an intentionally coercive manner to silence the victims. To me at least, their behavior during this lawsuit certainly show that pattern of behavior. And if being given explicit, clear instructions from a judge doesn't open their eyes what possibly could? This only strengthens my belief that the underage teen players he had sex with in the past are being truthful in their representation of Rick and Cheryl.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Mar 14, 2020 22:11:14 GMT -5
and publicity SPVB and Butlers have gotten in last 2 years was NOT good. SPVB? What have any of those players done in the last year to bring bad publicity? Or are we no longer pretending this is just a Butler thing, but an open attack on any player, coach, or family in the program. Fitting this is now being promoted. At the Dells the parents of a different club (perhaps not so coincidentally, the club that worked with Mullen to draft the lawsuit) called the players cheering for their program-mates “rapers”, loudly, in their direction, to their faces. In this thread already we had posters mock the SPVB 18 Elite players for a less desirable Bluegrass finish when their stud outside hitter had to go to the hospital after their first match of the tournament with an injury. Granted, this is no surprise, considering Sarah Powers-Barnhard is the leader of this movement. Powers-Barnhard, who posted a picture of a 13-year old SPVB player on social media without their or their parents’ consent with a sexually suggestive comment. And who also instructed her program to approach 13-14 year old SPVB players at AAU’s and give them t-shirts while telling them “you support rape”. Glad we’re done pretending this about the protecting the children farce. Preach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 9:18:48 GMT -5
Yes SPVB, the club owned and operated by Rick and Cheryl Butler. The club from which they collect their income and used to fund his defense. I want Rick in jail for life, understanding that due to the statute of limitations, that will never happen, so I want him gone from the game for good. He has been banned permanently by every governing body in the sport, but continues to coach (cuz he owns the club and the building), which I find abhorrent.
I wish every young kid playing VB the best of luck and nothing but happiness and growth. To imply I have anything against the kids playing the sport is plain ignorant. Trying to make my comments fit your narrative is sad, but after quick review of your Butler defense, it is how you do, so if nothing else, you are consistent. Good job!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 9:46:11 GMT -5
Yes SPVB, the club owned and operated by Rick and Cheryl Butler. The club from which they collect their income and used to fund his defense. You can’t call others ignorant and then in the same post state something inaccurate. I am happy to be educated. What was inaccurate in that post?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Mar 17, 2020 8:22:24 GMT -5
You can’t call others ignorant and then in the same post state something inaccurate. I am happy to be educated. What was inaccurate in that post? You asked a very fair and reasonable question and got crickets. I guess you were accurate.
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Post by deohge on Mar 17, 2020 9:32:42 GMT -5
and publicity SPVB and Butlers have gotten in last 2 years was NOT good. SPVB? What have any of those players done in the last year to bring bad publicity? Or are we no longer pretending this is just a Butler thing, but an open attack on any player, coach, or family in the program. Fitting this is now being promoted. At the Dells the parents of a different club (perhaps not so coincidentally, the club that worked with Mullen to draft the lawsuit) called the players cheering for their program-mates “rapers”, loudly, in their direction, to their faces. In this thread already we had posters mock the SPVB 18 Elite players for a less desirable Bluegrass finish when their stud outside hitter had to go to the hospital after their first match of the tournament with an injury. Granted, this is no surprise, considering Sarah Powers-Barnhard is the leader of this movement. Powers-Barnhard, who posted a picture of a 13-year old SPVB player on social media without their or their parents’ consent with a sexually suggestive comment. And who also instructed her program to approach 13-14 year old SPVB players at AAU’s and give them t-shirts while telling them “you support rape”. Glad we’re done pretending this about the protecting the children farce. I don't know what bad publicity SPVB has had over the last two years, I have not heard or seen any. What people are talking about at our new club when they talk about SPVB ( which is not very often) is they think the club will have a better chance at tournaments with SPVB not there. I have not seen any improvement in standings thus far though all age groups. I think a lot of the posters in this thread are just jealous of the success that SPVB and the Butlers have had in the past. Parents yelling crap at players is absurd, and again makes me think jealousy. As far as Sarah Powers-Barnhard to do what she has done in the past, shows the people in this movement are of low character, much like Mrs. Mullen.
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Post by reader on Mar 17, 2020 9:35:55 GMT -5
I think the ratio of positive to negative threads on this site (and others), the falling rate of participation at their tournaments, the cancellation of events at their facility, these are all good metrics for how publicity is going for SPVB. Parents yelling at kids is a strawman and shouldn't distract from the basic idea that the tide has turned and RB is slowly being driven from the sport.
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Post by updawg on Mar 17, 2020 10:15:15 GMT -5
I think the ratio of positive to negative threads on this site (and others), the falling rate of participation at their tournaments, the cancellation of events at their facility, these are all good metrics for how publicity is going for SPVB. Parents yelling at kids is a strawman and shouldn't distract from the basic idea that the tide has turned and RB is slowly being driven from the sport. I think the ratio you are speaking of on this thread has more to do with the volume of posting done by the same handful of people. I think the falling rate of participation at their tournaments has more to do with some club owners taking advantage of the situation to line their pockets and get tournaments moved to their facilities, rather than some new found morality - they've all known about the accusations for decades and went to SPVB tournaments anyway. I think very few people who are posting on this thread or anyone behind the lawsuit are interested in protecting youth. If you think that he is currently a threat to any players at his club or any other club, I don't think you are a serious person. He has been under a microscope for decades without even a whisper of any accusations. I would be more concerned about the coaches whose names you don't know. There is a lot of bad stuff going on right now that you haven't heard of yet, but no one is offering a solution to uncovering it or protecting those players. I think what will eventually drive him from the sport is his personal decision to retire, not anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 10:39:22 GMT -5
I think the ratio of positive to negative threads on this site (and others), the falling rate of participation at their tournaments, the cancellation of events at their facility, these are all good metrics for how publicity is going for SPVB. Parents yelling at kids is a strawman and shouldn't distract from the basic idea that the tide has turned and RB is slowly being driven from the sport. I think the ratio you are speaking of on this thread has more to do with the volume of posting done by the same handful of people. I think the falling rate of participation at their tournaments has more to do with some club owners taking advantage of the current "Me Too" hysteria to line their pockets and get tournaments moved to their facilities, rather than some new found morality - they've all known about the accusations for decades and went to SPVB tournaments anyway. I think very few people who are posting on this thread or anyone behind the lawsuit are interested in protecting youth. If you think that he is currently a threat to any players at his club or any other club, I don't think you are a serious person. He has been under a microscope for decades without even a whisper of any accusations. I would be more concerned about the coaches whose names you don't know. There is a lot of bad stuff going on right now that you haven't heard of yet, but no one is offering a solution to uncovering it or protecting those players. I think what will eventually drive him from the sport is his personal decision to retire, not anything else. I think the fact that you used the phrase 'Me Too hysteria' in an unironic fashion after the revolting creature that triggered that movement just got 23 years in prison, strongly indicates don't don't give a flying F about protecting anyone. It's funny that you think it's everyone else that's got a warped perspective though.
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Post by updawg on Mar 17, 2020 10:59:08 GMT -5
I think the ratio you are speaking of on this thread has more to do with the volume of posting done by the same handful of people. I think the falling rate of participation at their tournaments has more to do with some club owners taking advantage of the current "Me Too" hysteria to line their pockets and get tournaments moved to their facilities, rather than some new found morality - they've all known about the accusations for decades and went to SPVB tournaments anyway. I think very few people who are posting on this thread or anyone behind the lawsuit are interested in protecting youth. If you think that he is currently a threat to any players at his club or any other club, I don't think you are a serious person. He has been under a microscope for decades without even a whisper of any accusations. I would be more concerned about the coaches whose names you don't know. There is a lot of bad stuff going on right now that you haven't heard of yet, but no one is offering a solution to uncovering it or protecting those players. I think what will eventually drive him from the sport is his personal decision to retire, not anything else. I think the fact that you used the phrase 'Me Too hysteria' in an unironic fashion after the revolting creature that triggered that movement just got 23 years in prison, strongly indicates don't don't give a flying F about protecting anyone. It's funny that you think it's everyone else that's got a warped perspective though. I don't really get how you came to the conclusion I don't care about protecting anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's all I ever talk about on these threads. No one seems to want to engage in that conversation though. Instead, these threads have turned into a gathering place for vigilantes. OP should rename the thread to more accurately reflect what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 11:19:18 GMT -5
I think the fact that you used the phrase 'Me Too hysteria' in an unironic fashion after the revolting creature that triggered that movement just got 23 years in prison, strongly indicates don't don't give a flying F about protecting anyone. It's funny that you think it's everyone else that's got a warped perspective though. I don't really get how you came to the conclusion I don't care about protecting anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth. That's all I ever talk about on these threads. No one seems to want to engage in that conversation though. Instead, these threads have turned into a gathering place for vigilantes. OP should rename the thread to more accurately reflect what it is. The fact that you referred to "Me too" as hysteria. After thousands of years of abuse, our society finally made a small effort to protect women from sexual assault and you think that's hysterical? And since I've seen tacit suggestion that the allegations lack veracity there's also the fact that, research shows that somewhere between 92% - 98.5% (depending on the study) of all rape accusations are NOT false accusations, you should probably consider the statistical likelihood that your last post makes you look like an @$$%*!*. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
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Post by updawg on Mar 17, 2020 11:42:38 GMT -5
I stand by the language I used. When men are being warned not to invite women to go to lunch with them at work and Supreme Court Justice nominees are put through what Kavanaugh was put through, I personally call it hysteria. I don't really want to have an argument with you about those words since they are irrelevant and deflect from my point. Since you can't get beyond my wording and are triggered to the point of name calling and vulgar language in both of your responses, I've edited my post so you can understand my post more easily without getting hung up on that.
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