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Post by trojansc on Nov 27, 2019 5:40:32 GMT -5
Just so it's clear -- the UC Irvine coach was not challenging running into the cameraman (interference). That's not a type of play you can challenge.
She simply told the R2 that it was interference because her player had a chance to make a play on the ball. After a discussion with the up ref - they decided to replay the point. Either one, or both of them felt like she had a chance to make a play on that ball. When they showed it on replay -- I don't think Irvine would have gotten the ball over even if she made a play on that ball -- but I also can't say that for sure they wouldn't have got it over.
I thought it was excellent coaching. What coach shouldn't argue their player running into a cameraman if they are in the playing are? Or at least ask the R2 to see if the R1 had a better view?
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2019 6:46:34 GMT -5
Just so it's clear -- the UC Irvine coach was not challenging running into the cameraman (interference). That's not a type of play you can challenge. She simply told the R2 that it was interference because her player had a chance to make a play on the ball. After a discussion with the up ref - they decided to replay the point. Either one, or both of them felt like she had a chance to make a play on that ball. When they showed it on replay -- I don't think Irvine would have gotten the ball over even if she made a play on that ball -- but I also can't say that for sure they wouldn't have got it over. I thought it was excellent coaching. What coach shouldn't argue their player running into a cameraman if they are in the playing are? Or at least ask the R2 to see if the R1 had a better view? Actually, the replay showed the ball landing just past the guard-rail, which suggests it was a playable ball. This incident with the UCI coach is destined to become Island Legend, like Cheryl Weaver crushing a player's hand while shaking hands at the net.
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Post by brooselee on Nov 27, 2019 9:31:08 GMT -5
Just so it's clear -- the UC Irvine coach was not challenging running into the cameraman (interference). That's not a type of play you can challenge. She simply told the R2 that it was interference because her player had a chance to make a play on the ball. After a discussion with the up ref - they decided to replay the point. Either one, or both of them felt like she had a chance to make a play on that ball. When they showed it on replay -- I don't think Irvine would have gotten the ball over even if she made a play on that ball -- but I also can't say that for sure they wouldn't have got it over. I thought it was excellent coaching. What coach shouldn't argue their player running into a cameraman if they are in the playing are? Or at least ask the R2 to see if the R1 had a better view? Actually, the replay showed the ball landing just past the guard-rail, which suggests it was a playable ball. This incident with the UCI coach is destined to become Island Legend, like Cheryl Weaver crushing a player's hand while shaking hands at the net. That is why I didnβt blame the coach for her action. I blamed that weak knee Ernie Ho for the letting coaches push him around and not be firm on the call. βCall was made......no replay allowed coach! Let move on......β should have been Hoβs response.
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Post by staticb on Nov 27, 2019 11:43:49 GMT -5
I think the coaching thing is really a matter of:
1. A Hawaii coach has higher expectations. Given the program, budget, recruiting base, etc. Hawaii is expected to be a Top 25 team. This year was more of Hawaii going back to where it's supposed to be after underachieving.
2. Coaches watch the video of Hawaii and think the same things we do (but also probably see a lot more things). Robyn is a risk-taking/not afraid to blow it all up coach, and sometimes that backfires and the team got into a lot of trouble it shouldn't have. The coaches see that when watching the video too. (Also goes back to the higher expectation thing)
3. Preston is liked by the coaches for the same reasons that posters here generally like her.
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Post by 642fiddi on Nov 27, 2019 11:56:53 GMT -5
I agree that the Big West would have done even better without it's top two talents being injured, and the coaches of those teams did a great job overcoming the injuries. UCI also had some injuries but was not able to sub in people for wins. Fullerton lost their #1 and #3 setters for conference, and their OH2 for weeks. Also their sophomore, 2 year starting middle for the last 3+ weeks of the season. I think Fullerton would have had 2 or 3 more wins without the injuries. Fullerton still won 2 sets in Hawaii and the first set at CPSLO. I give a lot of credit to Ashley and the culture she and her assistants established. Next year I am hoping for 5th. An added note: The setter and Rt Side are graduating early. Ashley encourages her players to graduate early if they are able. A final note, Noreen was the best choice for BWPOY. Fullerton would have won the match at Hawaii if Ah Maw had not had Noreen become the Rt Side hitter. Fullerton could not stop her. Fullerton better hope that nobody makes asst coach Vargas a better offer. This team had her finger prints all over it.
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2019 12:16:51 GMT -5
Just so it's clear -- the UC Irvine coach was not challenging running into the cameraman (interference). That's not a type of play you can challenge. She simply told the R2 that it was interference because her player had a chance to make a play on the ball. After a discussion with the up ref - they decided to replay the point. Either one, or both of them felt like she had a chance to make a play on that ball. When they showed it on replay -- I don't think Irvine would have gotten the ball over even if she made a play on that ball -- but I also can't say that for sure they wouldn't have got it over. I thought it was excellent coaching. What coach shouldn't argue their player running into a cameraman if they are in the playing are? Or at least ask the R2 to see if the R1 had a better view? Actually, the replay showed the ball landing just past the guard-rail, which suggests it was a playable ball. This incident with the UCI coach is destined to become Island Legend, like Cheryl Weaver crushing a player's hand while shaking hands at the net. No to the guard rail. There is no rail. The ball landed on the far back corner of the media table. The ball was playable until it landed on the table, but in this case the player swiped and missed, avoided the media table altogether, and after the swipe and ball landing on the table, her momentum took her further on into the floor cameraman.
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2019 12:54:55 GMT -5
Just so it's clear -- the UC Irvine coach was not challenging running into the cameraman (interference). That's not a type of play you can challenge. She simply told the R2 that it was interference because her player had a chance to make a play on the ball. After a discussion with the up ref - they decided to replay the point. Either one, or both of them felt like she had a chance to make a play on that ball. When they showed it on replay -- I don't think Irvine would have gotten the ball over even if she made a play on that ball -- but I also can't say that for sure they wouldn't have got it over. I thought it was excellent coaching. What coach shouldn't argue their player running into a cameraman if they are in the playing are? Or at least ask the R2 to see if the R1 had a better view? You are correct. I took another look at the video. The play wasn't reviewed by video but the initial call was overturned and point played over. What the video showed is the player swiping at the ball and missing, then the ball landing on the far back corner of the media table, the player avoiding the media table but taking her momentum into the floor cameraman who is actually sitting in a bench chair at the very end of the Irvine bench and just before the media table starts. The ball landed out after her play on the ball and just before she ran over the cameraman. It was the play before that Hain asked for a video review of a long rally Hawaii had won, claiming four touches from early in the rally. That video review did not show four touches. But, the down ref reversed the play on the floor anyway. To the disbelief of the announcers and the crowd.
The very next play the UCI libero digs a x-court bomb from Hellvig that sails all the way out to the other side of the court over the head of all the UCI players and the down cameraman at the end of the media table sitting in a chair at the end of the Irvine bench. The ball lands on the back corner of the media table. The UCI setter is chasing from the front row back towards the farthest back corner of the media table, and takes a swipe at the ball before it lands on the table. She avoids the media table but runs into the floor cameraman sitting on the end of the Irvine bench. The call is ball out, but Hain asks for interference and gets a play over after the down ref speaks to the up ref.
The down ref is questioned by an upset Ah Mow but she quickly turns away to walk it off. Lundquist shouts something, followed by K.Baxter, former Hain assistant, shouting to be heard over the crowd. Hain yells something, and stares back at Hawaii then turns away and runs a hand through her hair.
Very next play, up ref calls Iosia for being a back row player jumping above the net to set a ball that was crossing over the plane of the net. Probably the right call but questionable and not reviewable. So, three quick points go to UCI on favorable ref calls at the beginning of the fifth set.
Was it excellent coaching? Well, it certainly was excellent working over of the refs. Something Hain has a reputation for now. She pushed her luck to the edge, winning a battle that night, but went 1-11 the rest of the way. Would she have traded that win for a 11-1 finish? I'm not certain, and her teams performance after that night is all hers to own.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Nov 27, 2019 12:57:44 GMT -5
To somebody (me) on the outside of the conference...with just a cursory interest in one of the teams my brother went to...all this carping seems "a bad look"/ kinda greedy to me. Some Aloha? noblesol
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2019 13:16:47 GMT -5
Actually, the replay showed the ball landing just past the guard-rail, which suggests it was a playable ball. This incident with the UCI coach is destined to become Island Legend, like Cheryl Weaver crushing a player's hand while shaking hands at the net. No to the guard rail. There is no rail. The ball landed on the far back corner of the media table. The ball was playable until it landed on the table, but in this case the player swiped and missed, avoided the media table altogether, and after the swipe and ball landing on the table, her momentum took her further on into the floor cameraman. The ball didn't land on the table. It hit the chair. If you listen to the announcers at the side change, Maclachlin says the ball went over the table. You can see in this screenshot that there is someone sitting next to the media table (you can see their feet). The cameraman and the player are both away from the table to the right.
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2019 13:19:30 GMT -5
To somebody (me) on the outside of the conference...with just a cursory interest in one of the teams my brother went to...all this carping seems "a bad look"/ kinda greedy to me. Some Aloha? noblesol
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 27, 2019 13:21:30 GMT -5
Hain may have stared Robyn down but we all know Robyn would give Hain dirty lickens lol.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Nov 27, 2019 13:39:10 GMT -5
Whoa... whatever! Point was, maybe such the pedantic "laundry-listing" of past coaching techniques/ refereeing is boring: and a drag? Perhaps "holiday spirit" is the term?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 27, 2019 13:43:03 GMT -5
The wahine were definitely shell shocked when Brooke went down, and she definitely was not herself in the fifth set.
Had brooke not went down, the wahine would have swept. Whats done is done, Hawaii still won the big west, and is still in line for a seed. This is their best record since 2015. With an even higher RPI.
GO BOWS
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2019 13:53:22 GMT -5
Whoa... whatever! Point was, maybe such the pedantic "laundry-listing" of past coaching techniques/ refereeing is boring: and a drag? Perhaps "holiday spirit" is the term? May you always be entertained by what you choose to read. Hope you have a happy Thanksgiving.
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Post by wintergreen on Nov 27, 2019 14:32:13 GMT -5
So next year is the year BW becomes an 11 team conference with UCSD and CSUB right?
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