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Post by Reach on Aug 6, 2019 19:47:42 GMT -5
Foluke is not going to raise a baby in Istanbul. I think my first reaction to this was, "Why not?" Istanbul is an amazing city with millions of people. Not like she'd be the only one with a baby. I could see perhaps not wanting to raise a child in a foreign city when they become school aged. Otherwise, life in Istanbul is still just life. Istanbul is an amazing city full of stray dogs and cats (my favorite part).. I just got back from there last week actually and while it was an amazing place to visit, I can't imagine trying to raise a new born in a foreign country when you're busy being a professional athlete. Istanbul is very different compared to America let alone Western European countries.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 6, 2019 19:59:15 GMT -5
I think my first reaction to this was, "Why not?" Istanbul is an amazing city with millions of people. Not like she'd be the only one with a baby. I could see perhaps not wanting to raise a child in a foreign city when they become school aged. Otherwise, life in Istanbul is still just life. Istanbul is an amazing city full of stray dogs and cats (my favorite part).. I just got back from there last week actually and while it was an amazing place to visit, I can't imagine trying to raise a new born in a foreign country when you're busy being a professional athlete. Istanbul is very different compared to America let alone Western European countries. Which is what makes it an attractive alternative environment for raising a child.
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Post by Reach on Aug 6, 2019 20:01:49 GMT -5
Istanbul is an amazing city full of stray dogs and cats (my favorite part).. I just got back from there last week actually and while it was an amazing place to visit, I can't imagine trying to raise a new born in a foreign country when you're busy being a professional athlete. Istanbul is very different compared to America let alone Western European countries. Which is what makes it an attractive alternative environment for raising a child. Normally I'd agree. Paris, Madrid, Praha sure a majority of Northern Italy.. Have you been to Istanbul?
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 6, 2019 20:15:24 GMT -5
I write anyone who takes a season or significant time away from the gym off until they actually get back on the court and prove themselves viable (i.e. Karsta Lowe).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 20:16:09 GMT -5
I think my confusion still holds. Raising a child of 4 or 5 is different than raising a child from infant to 3. The demands of being a pro athlete and mother are probably the same in Istanbul as they would be in Small Town, USA. I have been to Istanbul, but do admit that I never once thought what it would be like to raise a child here. Aside from the calls to prayer, it felt a lot like most cities I have been to. Just a lot more interesting.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 6, 2019 20:17:45 GMT -5
Which is what makes it an attractive alternative environment for raising a child. Normally I'd agree. Paris, Madrid, Praha sure a majority of Northern Italy.. Have you been to Istanbul? Yes. I hear you about the street bazaar environment in the city, but culturally, the emphasis and reliance on family ties and structures is much more important there, and more than will be found in bigger European cities you mentioned, Madrid and Paris (whereas it will be stronger in the smaller ones like Barcelona and Marseilles). The more important issue is exactly how receptive her team will be to accommodating her needs in regards to things like travel with the child and/or her husband/mother/nanny, who might accompany her. In Japan, the teams really discouraged it, which was surprising to me, while in other countries, Russia, Western Europe, it really varied by team, or perhaps by the value they placed on the player.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 6, 2019 20:22:07 GMT -5
People, professional track and field athletes have given birth and been back in form 8 months later. Track is a sport measured in fractions of a second. With all due respect to volleyball, it's not track and there is no reason she wouldn't be ready.
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Post by Reach on Aug 6, 2019 20:50:25 GMT -5
Normally I'd agree. Paris, Madrid, Praha sure a majority of Northern Italy.. Have you been to Istanbul? Yes. I hear you about the street bazaar environment in the city, but culturally, the emphasis and reliance on family ties and structures is much more important there, and more than will be found in bigger European cities you mentioned, Madrid and Paris (whereas it will be stronger in the smaller ones like Barcelona and Marseilles). The more important issue is exactly how receptive her team will be to accommodating her needs in regards to things like travel with the child and/or her husband/mother/nanny, who might accompany her. In Japan, the teams really discouraged it, which was surprising to me, while in other countries, Russia, Western Europe, it really varied by team, or perhaps by the value they placed on the player. It has less to do with one tourist attraction that you mentioned and more to do with access to a certain level of healthcare for a newborn.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 6, 2019 20:56:01 GMT -5
I write anyone who takes a season or significant time away from the gym off until they actually get back on the court and prove themselves viable (i.e. Karsta Lowe). Wow. You sure stuck a lot ("anyone who takes a season or significant time away from the gym") between "write" and "off".
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 6, 2019 21:40:43 GMT -5
Yes. I hear you about the street bazaar environment in the city, but culturally, the emphasis and reliance on family ties and structures is much more important there, and more than will be found in bigger European cities you mentioned, Madrid and Paris (whereas it will be stronger in the smaller ones like Barcelona and Marseilles). The more important issue is exactly how receptive her team will be to accommodating her needs in regards to things like travel with the child and/or her husband/mother/nanny, who might accompany her. In Japan, the teams really discouraged it, which was surprising to me, while in other countries, Russia, Western Europe, it really varied by team, or perhaps by the value they placed on the player. It has less to do with one tourist attraction that you mentioned and more to do with access to a certain level of healthcare for a newborn. As usual, you missed the point. At certain income levels or in situations like hers where she's not simply a tourist, access to quality healthcare isn't even an issue.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 6, 2019 21:55:54 GMT -5
It has less to do with one tourist attraction that you mentioned and more to do with access to a certain level of healthcare for a newborn. As usual, you missed the point. At certain income levels or in situations like hers where she's not simply a tourist, access to quality healthcare isn't even an issue. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is "not an issue". Travel complicates many things, including healthcare. But yeah, the post in question was obviously talking about whether the team would be supportive of her parental responsibilities.
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Post by Reach on Aug 6, 2019 22:04:26 GMT -5
It has less to do with one tourist attraction that you mentioned and more to do with access to a certain level of healthcare for a newborn. As usual, you missed the point. At certain income levels or in situations like hers where she's not simply a tourist, access to quality healthcare isn't even an issue. As usual, you need to feel as though you know It all... whatever gets you through the day. At certain income levels lol...
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 6, 2019 22:40:48 GMT -5
As usual, you missed the point. At certain income levels or in situations like hers where she's not simply a tourist, access to quality healthcare isn't even an issue. As usual, you need to feel as though you know It all... whatever gets you through the day. At certain income levels lol... Turkey has universal health coverage, so like every other place in the world, if you don't have coverage, you have to pay for it out of pocket, so "at certain income levels", it's not an issue. But Foluke won't be a tourist there. She might not be eligible for universal coverage in spite of her work visa, but she will be eligible to buy insurance, if her club doesn't provide it for her. But kudos on your reasoning that stray dogs and cats and healthcare is a reason not to raise a child in Istanbul. It's a miracle that people have survived there for thousands of years.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 6, 2019 22:49:13 GMT -5
But kudos on your reasoning that stray dogs and cats is a reason not to raise a child in Istanbul. In Iowa we call those pets.
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Post by Reach on Aug 6, 2019 23:03:21 GMT -5
As usual, you need to feel as though you know It all... whatever gets you through the day. At certain income levels lol... Turkey has universal health coverage, so like every other place in the world, if you don't have coverage, you have to pay for it out of pocket, so "at certain income levels", it's not an issue. But Foluke won't be a tourist there. She might not be eligible for universal coverage in spite of her work visa, but she will be eligible to buy insurance, if her club doesn't provide it for her. But kudos on your reasoning that stray dogs and cats and healthcare is a reason not to raise a child in Istanbul. It's a miracle that people have survived there for thousands of years. You really will write anything to try and prove how “knowledgeable” and “right” you are. Well done. Problem though, when you try and prove a point, don’t change what I say to fit your unnecessary rant. It makes you look desperate and sad. Let me know when you find where I said stray dogs and cats were a reason not to raise a child in Turkey. Go ahead.. can’t wait for you to find some other words to spin so you look smarter than everyone. The act is tired.
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