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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 8, 2019 18:20:44 GMT -5
Specifically one that shows "art" films. (It is possible for a theater to be "indie" but show mainstream commercial films. Alternately, sometimes theater chains will run one of their theaters as an arthouse, especially if it located near a university or in an artsy part of the city. But often indie theaters will be arthouses and vice versa.) |
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Post by vup on Jul 8, 2019 18:53:26 GMT -5
Specifically one that shows "art" films. (It is possible for a theater to be "indie" but show mainstream commercial films. Alternately, sometimes theater chains will run one of their theaters as an arthouse, especially if it located near a university or in an artsy part of the city. But often indie theaters will be arthouses and vice versa.) We have a nice indie/arthouse theater in Lincoln. They’ll show all of the Oscar nominated films that don’t make it mainstream. When it’s not awards season, I’ve caught some good foreign films. |
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Post by hammer on Jul 8, 2019 18:57:39 GMT -5
To make this believable they need to a more buffed main character sort of along the lines of today's fitness models ...  |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 8, 2019 22:49:50 GMT -5
I'll be curious how Mulan is going to pass as a male despite the fact that she's stunningly gorgeous unlike, say, Barbra Streisand in Yentl. The live adaptation of Mulan is going to be quite different I'm told, closer to the original ballad than the animation. So no Mushu or singing. Personally, I don't mind that at all, the material of Mulan allows for many different interpretations, and it would give me a reason to watch the live version knowing it's not going to simply rehash the cartoon. As for Mulan, I'm told that the original versions, people knew she was a woman even if she was dressed as a man, but people didn't mind (it wasn't a offense to be killed over like in the original animation) because they accepted her as doing it out of filial duty, a primary responsibility in ancient China. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 8, 2019 22:51:36 GMT -5
I’ve heard plenty in past that a company that supposedly try’s to cater to kids runs their child actors into the ground. Disney has gotten way to political for me trying to over shove their agendas on everyone. LOL. Disney is so very tame. It's hilarious to see how the slightest things trigger so many overly-sensitive people. True. The internet outrage sometimes say more about the people who were outraged than the supposed object of anger that triggered them. |
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Post by jayj79 on Jul 8, 2019 23:06:12 GMT -5
I don’t like when companies try to shove stuff down people’s throats. how is it being shoved down anyone's throat? no one is forced to watch any of these movies/shows/etc. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. If other people like watching it, then don't try to shove your dislike down their throats. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 8, 2019 23:12:03 GMT -5
Disney is so very, very corporate. They are one of the most profitable media companies in the world. They are legendary for viciously sending packs of lawyers after anyone who even remotely infringes on their copyrights (even though most of their intellectual property is based on uncopyrighted fairy tales and such).
The idea that they are somehow leftist radicals is absolutely hilarious.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 8, 2019 23:51:53 GMT -5
Disney is so very, very corporate. They are one of the most profitable media companies in the world. They are legendary for viciously sending packs of lawyers after anyone who even remotely infringes on their copyrights (even though most of their intellectual property is based on uncopyrighted fairy tales and such). The idea that they are somehow leftist radicals is absolutely hilarious. Absolutely. Especially for their big budget offerings, those are all carefully packaged products than a film in the traditional sense, the director is just there to do as he or she is told by the producers. Any sort of creative control or vision that the director want to have is very limited or circumscribed. That goes for many Hollywood productions it has to be said, but the degree varies between studios, Warner Bros is known as a relatively more director-centric studio whereas Disney is seen very much as top heavy "executive-giving-out-orders" kind of studio. Interesting thing with Mulan, Disney met their match in China (which in fairness, is where the the story came from). To gain access to the vast Chinese movie market, Mulan must satisfy Chinese demands that the story is true to their culture, hence no Mushu. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 10, 2019 21:27:35 GMT -5
Disney - along with Warner - was the largest client of a firm I ran some years back. Having spent way too much time with Disney/Pixar folks, I almost spit my drink out reading about Disney’s “fat left agenda.” Disney isn’t about red or blue, it’s all about green, so to speak.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 10, 2019 21:45:39 GMT -5
Disney - along with Warner - was the largest client of a firm I ran some years back. Having spent way too much time with Disney/Pixar folks, I almost spit my drink out reading about Disney’s “fat left agenda.” Disney isn’t about red or blue, it’s all about green, so to speak. All Hollywood studios are motivated by raking in the almighty dollar, as much as they can. Disney being one of the biggest studio certainly is not an exception to that. The only difference is how they approached movie-making as a business, some studios give a little more leeway to directors than others, but they are all driven by the same thing, money. What is amusing is all the ranting going on in the internet about Disney having some hard "liberal agenda" when nothing can be further from the truth. That really does say a lot about those people. Those who accuse others of having an agenda usually harbor one themselves. And money is is what seem to be driving Mulan's live-action movie's closer adherence to the original ballad. The Mulan animation had a mixed reception in China, some liked it, others pointed to the culture incongruities in the movie. This time, knowing China is the world's 2nd largest movie market, Disney wanted to get things right to please China and maximize box office revenue. That is probably also why Liu Yifei was casted. While she is a relatively unknown actress in America, she is a big star in China. Even if her performance is not always well received, she has a proven track record of getting audience to pay money for the movies she starred in. That does not mean it is going to be a bad movie however. It could turn out great. The teaser is certainly interesting in how it is adopting a more serious and grounded tone. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 12, 2019 0:12:24 GMT -5
I'm curious about another thing, some Disney fans seem to criticize the Mulan live-action for not having songs or Mushu like the animation, yet these are the same people who criticize the other live-action Disney movies for staying too close to the animation and having nothing original. I guess you just can't please some people... But I did found an article addressing those concerns, arguing it's actually better for the film to stand on it's own: www.bustle.com/p/mushu-isnt-in-the-live-action-mulan-trailer-but-thats-actually-the-point-18180271Can Mulan be successful without Mushu? Hua Mulan was well-known figure in Chinese culture long before Disney animated her. Her story has literally survived since its inception in 386 A.D. and been passed down through the generations. It's spawned multiple film and stage adaptations throughout the 20th century. Mulan literally has a crater on Venus named after her History tells us that Mulan can not only be successful, but iconic without Mushu.At the end of the day, the most important part of Mulan’s story is her heart and her bravery. Mulan was never about Mushu, and it can definitely be told without him — in fact, it has been told without him for centuries. And instead of bemoaning the lack of Mushu, it's time for fans to focus on what Mulan is really about: giving this Asian female heroine a place to be the badass she's always been.The story has been told and reinvented through the generations in both China and later the United States. Mulan comes to embody different things (i.e. The dutiful and loyal daughter, the fierce, pregnant warrior, and the feisty teenaged heroine) for different people: link |
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Post by ned3vball on Jul 12, 2019 4:54:17 GMT -5
I clicked into this thread to find out who Mulan Teaser was and why they were in prison.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 12, 2019 9:58:22 GMT -5
I clicked into this thread to find out who Mulan Teaser was and why they were in prison. Well now you know.  |
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 12, 2019 14:36:15 GMT -5
I think people are stupid for spending money to see the same stories over and over. Check this book out: www.amazon.com/Thousand-Faces-Collected-Joseph-Campbell/dp/1577315936We've been making the same stories for thousands of years. There were probably Sumerians sitting around the fire complaining about how Gilgamesh was derivative and they needed something new and refreshing. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 12, 2019 20:24:04 GMT -5
I think people are stupid for spending money to see the same stories over and over. Check this book out: www.amazon.com/Thousand-Faces-Collected-Joseph-Campbell/dp/1577315936We've been making the same stories for thousands of years. There were probably Sumerians sitting around the fire complaining about how Gilgamesh was derivative and they needed something new and refreshing. That's a great book. You definitely can see recurring themes, motifs and character-types from many myths and stories past down from generation to generation. That being said, Mulan has always changed from the story to story. The ballad is more or less the same, but with each adaptation, the filmmakers can choose to emphasized different aspects of it. Hence there are always new interpretations of the story. Which is what I want to see for Mulan. |
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