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Post by tnp101 on Aug 13, 2019 16:49:12 GMT -5
So Stanford plays : #2 Nebraska #3 Minnesota #4 Texas #8 Penn State #9 BYU #10 Florida in OOC. K. This is an insane schedule! They might have as well played 2,3,4,5,6,7 for preseason. I think it is possible that they would lose a few...I hope not. I would love to see a perfect season once for Stanford. This could be the team to do it.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 13, 2019 17:03:32 GMT -5
Who are the idiots that voted for Nebraska and Penn State #1? Seriously, they should be blacklisted for the entire year. The only mild exception would be Hambly not voting for his own team, but even that just seems disingenuous. What, just because Stanford is basically the same players who won in 2016, lost in the final four in 2017, and won again in 2018, you think it's unreasonable to say some other team is better than them? OK, so it actually is unreasonable to say that, but hey, people are often unreasonable. I think bringing in the #1 recruiting class scared some off.
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Post by naujack85 on Aug 13, 2019 17:05:28 GMT -5
When was the last time a team was overwhelming #1 like the current Stanford team (62 of 64 first place votes) but crashed and burned badly at the end of the season? It should have been 64 of 64. Stanford is head and shoulders better than every team in the country. They return 4 girls who are 2 time national champions and they are all really good. 3 are clearly some of the best at their respective position in the entire country. Most teams would kill for Plummer, Hentz, Gray and Fitzmorris not to mention that Campbell and McClure are really good. Put Stanford into the Final Four, the burning question is if any team can beat them during the regular season or if in the Final Four they will falter the way they did a couple seasons ago against Florida. Dont forget about a transfer top 3 middle in the nation with 3 years experience and the #1 ranked freshman. They could both be huge contributors, and the Card would be HEAVY favorites without them.
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Post by hammer on Aug 13, 2019 17:56:14 GMT -5
Who are the idiots that voted for Nebraska and Penn State #1? Seriously, they should be blacklisted for the entire year. The only mild exception would be Hambly not voting for his own team, but even that just seems disingenuous. What, just because Stanford is basically the same players who won in 2016, lost in the final four in 2017, and won again in 2018, you think it's unreasonable to say some other team is better than them? OK, so it actually is unreasonable to say that, but hey, people are often unreasonable. There are those who could be in denial ... There are those who could be impaired by drugs or alcohol ... There are those who just want to create controversy ... There are those who are unable to draw an obvious conclusion from overwhelming evidence ... I'm sure a missed a few others, but IMO a decent first attempt
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Post by uncommitted on Aug 13, 2019 18:19:22 GMT -5
I think Oregon is better than BYU, Penn State, and Florida. Oergon has as much athleticism as anybody in the country But really really young this year. Lots of freshmen on the court at the same time. If they finish top 15 I’d be thrilled. 🦆
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Post by vballvball on Aug 13, 2019 18:33:02 GMT -5
If Michigan runs a 5-1 where the middle trails the setter and their OH1 isn’t next to the setter (like they did last year), I want them automatically removed from the top 25. I don’t know if they did it because they wanted to use Skjodt in the back row when they only had two hitters in the front row, but it was cringe city nonetheless.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 13, 2019 18:35:07 GMT -5
Honestly, I think virtually all preseason polls are mostly meaningless. The only situation I can think of where they mattered is college football before the advent of the playoff. There, if you started low, it actually could hurt you at the end of the season (e.g. finishing third instead of second and getting left out of the title game). But that doesn't really happen in sports with large tournaments like basketball and volleyball that use selection committees. Preseason polls are just something fun to talk about. As the matches are played and teams beat each other or get upset, the rankings will shift to reflect the reality of the new season. For example, Illinois was ranked outside the top 10 in both the AVCA and VT preseason polls. By the end of the season, they had clearly established themselves as a top five team. As far as preseason polls go, this one doesn't seem that bad. I really don't think it's that crazy to rank a Final Four team and an Elite 8 team from the previous year in the top 10.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 13, 2019 18:37:43 GMT -5
What, just because Stanford is basically the same players who won in 2016, lost in the final four in 2017, and won again in 2018, you think it's unreasonable to say some other team is better than them? OK, so it actually is unreasonable to say that, but hey, people are often unreasonable. There are those who could be denial ... There are those who could be impaired by drugs or alcohol ... There are those who just want to create controversy ... There are those who are unable to draw an obvious conclusion from overwhelming evidence ... I'm sure a missed a few others, but IMO a decent first attempt Sometimes I am tempted to take random flyers on things like this, because no one ever really cares if the favorite wins, but if you get super lucky and manage to be the one person who picked the longshot correctly, you get to pretend you knew what you were doing.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 13, 2019 18:41:48 GMT -5
where they mattered is college football before the advent of the playoff A four team playoff doesn't change that. It's still really biased for who the fourth and sometimes third team to get in is going to be. A team that starts low in the polls has very little shot of climbing all the way into the top four unless they go undefeated, while favored teams can lose a couple games and still have a chance.
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Post by coloradokidd on Aug 13, 2019 19:17:03 GMT -5
My "Top 10" to start the season: 1) Stanford 2) Nebraska 3) Texas 4) Minnesota 5) Illinois 6) Wisconsin 7) Penn State 8) Kentucky 9) Florida 10) Oregon
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 13, 2019 19:19:08 GMT -5
where they mattered is college football before the advent of the playoff A four team playoff doesn't change that. It's still really biased for who the fourth and sometimes third team to get in is going to be. A team that starts low in the polls has very little shot of climbing all the way into the top four unless they go undefeated, while favored teams can lose a couple games and still have a chance. I'm not arguing that the process isn't biased per se (the people who make up the selection committee are still people, so they will all have their own biases). But as far as I know, the AP and Coaches polls don't directly influence the committee's decisions (it's certainly possible that they indirectly influence them, though I kind of doubt it based on the five seasons to date), and they certainly aren't a core component of the actual formula used to determine the championship game participants like they were with the BCS. And the playoff rankings don't even come out until November when all teams have played about two thirds of their season. At that point, preseason rankings in the AP and Coaches polls shouldn't factor in hardly at all, as there is plenty of evidence from the current season to evaluate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 19:31:01 GMT -5
My "Top 10" to start the season: 1) Stanford 2) Nebraska 3) Texas 4) Minnesota 5) Illinois 6) Wisconsin 7) Penn State 8) Kentucky 9) Florida 10) Oregon Incorrect.
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Post by vbkahuna on Aug 13, 2019 19:42:50 GMT -5
With all due respect to a truly great Stanford team that is rightfully ranked #1, I believe that ANY of these top 10 teams can potentially win the national championship in 2019. Plenty of talent across the country. Stuff happens in the playoffs. Nobody, including Stanford, will be a sure thing in 2019.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 19:44:57 GMT -5
They are going to have to give the trophy back then. It was already mailed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 19:51:59 GMT -5
If Michigan runs a 5-1 where the middle trails the setter and their OH1 isn’t next to the setter (like they did last year), I want them automatically removed from the top 25. I don’t know if they did it because they wanted to use Skjodt in the back row when they only had two hitters in the front row, but it was cringe city nonetheless. Decisions like that usually have to do with serve receive. Not sure what they would gain from a middle follow rotation, however. Really messes up serve receive.
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