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Post by 808 on Dec 14, 2004 22:34:09 GMT -5
Random comments about the Green Bay Regional: On Friday afternoon, there was a sign in the arena entrance area that indicated what was allowed/prohibited for the upcoming events. When I was there in the afternoon buying my tickets, the board changed several times -- first, it said that cameras were not allowed, but video was and audio was not; then it later changed to cameras allowed (but no flash), video allowed, still no audio. It changed several times but by game time, it ended up being that cameras were allowed (no flash) as was video but not audio (whatever that was supposed to be referring to). Kind of strange. I recall that in New Orleans two years ago, the NCAA was VERY strict about no video. At least they seem to have eased up on that restriction. There were only about 2,500 fans each night. Mostly Wisconsin backers. Not too many Texas, Stanford or Hawaii fans. A guy from Wisconsin that I sat next to during the Stanford-Texas match said that there was very poor promotion of the event. He had only heard of it several days before -- too late to make arrangements to bring his team (I assumed he was a club or school coach or something). Too bad. If the NCAA wants to get more exposure for the sport by putting regionals in non-traditional volleyball areas, they have to do a better job of promotion. The t-shirt seller told me that they had had to re-print all the regional t-shirts the night before because some Hawaii fan had showed up at the open practices (this was also not publicized much beforehand or I might have arranged to fly in a day earlier to watch all 4 teams work out) and noticed that the t-shirts referred to the Hawaii team as the "Rainbow Warriors". P.S. I know I could have posted this elsewhere but I just wanted to piss off you guys that made comments about how long this thread is!
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Post by bigfan on Dec 14, 2004 22:47:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the update and keep those Wahine thoughts coming. I will be posting a game by game, point by point analysis of this match in the coming weeks on this particular thread plus a breakdown of any and all snide remarks.
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Post by VBwatcher on Dec 15, 2004 1:11:57 GMT -5
Great season overall for Hawaii! Tough season ending losses for the top 3 teams (#1 Nebraska, #2 Penn State and #3 Hawaii). Let's get this thread to 50 pages for Hawaii The 50th State. Much Mahalo and Aloha to the wonderful UH Wahine TEAM
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Post by georgia(pacific)girl on Dec 15, 2004 1:13:50 GMT -5
just my 2 cents to get this to 50 pages. geesh is this the longest thread in the history of volleytalk or what?
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Post by gobows on Dec 15, 2004 1:36:31 GMT -5
unless we can get some interest going here I don't think we will make it to fifty.
On another thought....is Kim Willoughby doing some coaching at Punahou? I thought I read that several months ago. Is she going to play in Puerto Rico again? Did she get her degree?
gobows
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Post by Nutter on Dec 15, 2004 2:02:25 GMT -5
Okay, just wanted to add this, in an effort to make this thread go 50 pages.
I've been reading up on the matches since I'm on the other side of the world where the matches are on early in the morning, etc and since I don't get to an internet cafe until noon, the matches are already over. Bummed about that.
Too bad about Hawai'i, but for a team that wasn't expected to do anything, let alone contend, they, they did very very well.
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Post by me on Dec 15, 2004 4:58:56 GMT -5
What a unique team Hawaii is.
Did this post made it the 50th page?
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Post by georgia(pacific)girl on Dec 15, 2004 13:53:59 GMT -5
nope, not yet ;D
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Post by gobows on Dec 15, 2004 14:08:40 GMT -5
Rats gobows
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Post by bigfan on Dec 15, 2004 14:30:40 GMT -5
unless we can get some interest going here I don't think we will make it to fifty. On another thought....is Kim Willoughby doing some coaching at Punahou? I thought I read that several months ago. Is she going to play in Puerto Rico again? Did she get her degree? gobows How many players will go to Puerto Rico who played in this epic battle/
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Post by 808 on Dec 15, 2004 14:33:14 GMT -5
I'm just wondering (I don't recall reading any comments about this in the 48 previous pages and I admit I didn't read all of them) -- are there any Wisconsin fans out there on this board? If so, what did you think of how your team played? Was it typical of their play in critical matches this year? I know there were comments about Wisconsin being inconsistent, but what I was wondering was whether Wisconsin fans thought their team played an exceptional match or if they've seen their team play like that in other matches this season. They also appeared to have a letdown the next day when playing Stanford. Was this perhaps typical of their inconsistency this year?
From the viewpoint of this Hawaii fan, the Wahine could have (and should have) played better. There were a lot of mistakes made that were unforced (balls dropping, serves going out) and that were atypical of their play this year. I'm not saying that Hawaii should or would have won if they played better. I'm just saying I was a little disappointed in how they played.
Kudos to Wisconsin for the way they played against Hawaii. Too bad they couldn't have kept it up and played at the same level against Stanford. Of course, the way Stanford was playing, I don't know if it would have mattered. Stanford was one hot team.
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Post by JW on Dec 15, 2004 15:12:09 GMT -5
I'm just wondering (I don't recall reading any comments about this in the 48 previous pages and I admit I didn't read all of them) -- are there any Wisconsin fans out there on this board? If so, what did you think of how your team played? Was it typical of their play in critical matches this year? I know there were comments about Wisconsin being inconsistent, but what I was wondering was whether Wisconsin fans thought their team played an exceptional match or if they've seen their team play like that in other matches this season. They also appeared to have a letdown the next day when playing Stanford. Was this perhaps typical of their inconsistency this year? Well, I wasn't at the game (couldn't get out of work early enough to get up there), but from what I've heard they played a hell of a match against Hawaii. I would imagine that these games were a lot like UW's match against Minnesota at the Field House earlier this year. Playing at a high level against a quality team. Wisconsin has the tools to be a better then good team (I won't say great). I think the problem is less with their talent and more with their mentality. When things are clicking they are one of the best teams in the country. When they struggle, they really struggle. It seems like they are always waiting for someone to step up each game. They don't have a consistant go-to player. Someone that can just throw the team on her back when things are going wrong. While I think its great that at any player at anytime can step up, I also think that it is important for each player to have a role and to know that role. Maybe all the subbing took a toll on that. Waite has such a short leash on some of his players and that can't be good for their confidence. I was however, impressed with the way they fought during the Stanford match after being pounded in the first game. Speaking Stanford game, I think they just ran into one of the hottest teams in the country right now. If these two team would have played each other during Wisconsins win streak I might have given this game to the Badgers, but Stanford is rolling right now. Did fatigue play into it? I'm sure it did, same as Hawaii can say fatigue played a factor in their loss to Wisconsin. But, even on a weeks rest, I think Wisconsin loses maybe six/seven out of ten times, but the game would have been much more highly contested.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Dec 15, 2004 15:19:05 GMT -5
From the viewpoint of this Hawaii fan, the Wahine could have (and should have) played better. There were a lot of mistakes made that were unforced (balls dropping, serves going out) and that were atypical of their play this year. How atypical was it? Did they not do these things in the first two games against Utah St? Were they not making these types of mistakes when they dropped games to Fresno St, Nevada, or SMU? I didn't see the matches, but I would be surprised if all those lost games were due to the opponents pulling it all together and playing exceptionally well (call me crazy, but I don't think SMU could take a game off Hawaii if Hawaii was playing well, regardless of what they put together). OTOH, as usual, they did get stronger as the match progressed. Hawaii was 18 - 2 in game 4 of the match this year. That is really good. They were also 16 - 4 in game 3 of 4 or 5 game matches. 13 - 7 in game 1, but 6 - 14 in game 2! It sounds to me like the Wisconsin match went pretty much according to the standard modus operandi for Hawaii. Minor struggles in game 1, fall apart in game 2, and then very strong in games 3 and 4. The big difference was 1) they couldn't pull out game 1. Given their play in games 3 and 4, if they win game 1, they are in very good shape, and 2) they couldn't pull game 5. OTOH, game 5s are pretty much a crapshoot, and this one was as much as a crapshoot as you can get. That they didn't pull it out doesn't say too much either way about the team Hawaii really struggled in game 2 all year. They have been able to overcome it through the rest of the season, either by their play in game 1 or game 5 (taking games 3 and 4 as givens). In this case, it caught up with them. So I ask, was their play really so atypical? They've had a lot of matches like this all year except they pulled out game 5 (or game 1, as the case may be). The difference between pulling out game 5 and losing it is not all that big, IMO.
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Post by wang pu on Dec 15, 2004 15:45:21 GMT -5
Random comments about the Green Bay Regional: A guy from Wisconsin that I sat next to during the Stanford-Texas match said that there was very poor promotion of the event. He had only heard of it several days before -- too late to make arrangements to bring his team (I assumed he was a club or school coach or something). Too bad. If the NCAA wants to get more exposure for the sport by putting regionals in non-traditional volleyball areas, they have to do a better job of promotion. Wasn't the reason behind going to predetermined regional sites so that the host institution could promote the event more than the couple of weeks than in previous years?
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Post by ACE on Dec 15, 2004 16:01:11 GMT -5
And the Winner is....
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