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Post by ACE on Dec 15, 2004 16:01:37 GMT -5
5 - 4 - 3 - 2 -1 here's......
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Post by Gorf on Dec 15, 2004 16:04:49 GMT -5
Would someone like to do a quick recap of this thread in a new post here soon for the benefit of any new people to the board that don't want to wade through all 49 - 50 pages?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Dec 15, 2004 16:19:38 GMT -5
Would someone like to do a quick recap of this thread in a new post here soon for the benefit of any new people to the board that don't want to wade through all 49 - 50 pages? All that really matters is that Wisconsin beat Hawaii in the Sweet 16. The score was 21 - 19 in game 5. What else do you really need to know?
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Post by vbfan on Dec 15, 2004 16:52:39 GMT -5
That was just a little sarcasm, poking fun at the longest thread in volleytalk history. I'm still waiting for bigfan to give his point by point match summary, including as he said it a review of all the little potshots and insults on this thread Gotta keep this thread going, let's see how long it goes
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Post by rayb_14 on Dec 15, 2004 17:03:41 GMT -5
best post of this ENTIRE thread is towards the bottom of page 37 by Agent B.
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Post by BonJoeV on Dec 15, 2004 17:07:07 GMT -5
All that really matters is that Wisconsin beat Hawaii in the Sweet 16. The score was 21 - 19 in game 5. What else do you really need to know? I'd like to know... Was there a particular point in the match that manifested your anger towards the Wahine and their fans? Was there a feeling of demented euphoria when the Wahine were defeated? Just curious, that’s all…<br>
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Dec 15, 2004 21:46:49 GMT -5
best post of this ENTIRE thread is towards the bottom of page 37 by Agent B. YES YES YES YES YES Whoo-hooooooooo!!!!!! Tough loss for Hawaii. 21 - 19 in game 5 is a really hard way to lose. I feel for the players. They must be stunned. I can imagine that they are just laying on the floor in disbelief. OTOH, I have NO sympathy for the Hawaii fans. I hope it hurts, really, really, really bad.All is good in the world of volleyball. This is a disturbing comment by a disturbed individual. I don't find any part of it to be great. This is nothing more than hate emanating from a bitter old man. And for what it's worth It didn't hurt at all. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for Hawai'i and these young ladies worked together, overachieved, and gave us fans one exciting year. A 2 point loss on the road in the regionals isn't going to replace the joy we feel. Wallow in your hate and despair because you guys are in small company.
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Post by me on Dec 15, 2004 22:37:23 GMT -5
It didn't hurt me when the Wahines lost, mainly because I found extra joy knowing Northern Iowa sucked all year long!
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Post by 808 on Dec 15, 2004 23:53:22 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't at the game (couldn't get out of work early enough to get up there), but from what I've heard they played a hell of a match against Hawaii. I would imagine that these games were a lot like UW's match against Minnesota at the Field House earlier this year. Playing at a high level against a quality team. Wisconsin has the tools to be a better then good team (I won't say great). I think the problem is less with their talent and more with their mentality. When things are clicking they are one of the best teams in the country. When they struggle, they really struggle. It seems like they are always waiting for someone to step up each game. They don't have a consistant go-to player. Someone that can just throw the team on her back when things are going wrong. While I think its great that at any player at anytime can step up, I also think that it is important for each player to have a role and to know that role. Maybe all the subbing took a toll on that. Waite has such a short leash on some of his players and that can't be good for their confidence. I was however, impressed with the way they fought during the Stanford match after being pounded in the first game. Speaking Stanford game, I think they just ran into one of the hottest teams in the country right now. If these two team would have played each other during Wisconsins win streak I might have given this game to the Badgers, but Stanford is rolling right now. Did fatigue play into it? I'm sure it did, same as Hawaii can say fatigue played a factor in their loss to Wisconsin. But, even on a weeks rest, I think Wisconsin loses maybe six/seven out of ten times, but the game would have been much more highly contested. Thanks for your constructive feedback/comments. Unlike the post that followed yours.
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Post by bucky415 on Dec 16, 2004 1:09:04 GMT -5
I didn't post because it seemed like old news once I got back to civilization (Green Bay is not in civilization), although I did read through the 98 pages. I think the Badgers played one of their best matches of the year, but I don't think they were out of their minds great or anything like that against Hawaii. I would compare their performance to those they had in the Minnesota win and the loss to Penn State in State College. The Wahine helped them out a lot by making a slew of unforced errors in the first game, which obviously helped set up all that came afterward.
The Badgers played really well in the second game. Their passing in the first two games, and most notably in the second, was as good as I have seen it all season. Thus, they were able to run the offense pin to pin. When they could do that this year, they were tough to stop. Odenthal was really on fire; she and Simpson have really improved their connections since the start of the season, helped by Jackie's improvement with the back set. She had a couple of "wow" type sets to Jill against Hawaii. Carlini and Meierotto also had nice runs, and Marian Weidner, the Badgers' other senior, came off the bench and found the line for the kill on game point of the first game. Shaw was not really on offensively, which might have been why someone mentioned they weren't impressed by her. I think that is a bit strange for a Hawaii fan to say, since she and Prince are basically the same player (I say Sheila is better, mainly because I am biased). Both are a bit undersized, jump well, and are extremely quick. Prince has a tough jump serve, though, while Sheila lost her jump serving privileges earlier in the year due to an excessive amount of errors.
The difference in the third and fourth games, other than the Wahine stepping it up, was that the Badgers' passing again became inconsistent. They don't have the left side attack to beat good teams when they don't pass well, and it hurt them in those games. I thought the Badgers blocked pretty well and played solid floor defense, although both waxed and waned at times during the match. Wack had 35 digs, and I wouldn't have guessed that after the match. She is just one of those usually effective but not all that flashy type liberos. Heck of a match for her, though. One interesting thing: the Badgers adjusted to Prince and were able to slow her down in the later games. She actually was most effective offensively in the first two games, which the Badgers won. Wisconsin was able to block her on the slide at least once and contain her later in the match (they didn't stop her, but they kept her from torching them, as she had earlier).
The Badgers also had a semi-typical outing in two other ways. First, their serving was not very good. Hawaii saved a couple of balls with great scrambling plays, but the Badgers managed to beat the number two team in the country with one ace (a dribbler over the net, of course, by Carlini in game five) and thirteen service errors (three in game five from my count). I know Hawaii had the key error to make it 13-12, but leave it to this Badger team to almost kill themselves with the serve (unfortunately, that is what they did at PSU). Also, the 2004 Badgers had a flair for the dramatic. Nothing came easy, so the 21-19 in game five was not unexpected. When they lost, it usually wasn't all that close. The PSU match, and maybe Mizzou if they had won the crucial third game, was the only loss that could have been a win for them realistically. On the other hand, they beat Georgia Tech 20-18 in game five and Minnesota 17-15, in addition to the Hawaii match. Thus, I guess they were used to the situation, as was Hawaii.
I am glad that a call didn't end it. Fortunately, the double against Kanoe (I didn't see it well, but do you really call anything other than a truly mangled ball at that point?) and the lift(?) (it didn't look pretty) against Jackie balanced out, so the match ended on a play, as it should have. Great play, Jill! Woooo-hooooo! I was exhausted just watching the match. It was really entertaining, if not all that cleanly played at times.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of the Hawaii fans, I didn't think the Wahine were quite at the level of the top three Big Ten teams, although they might have been off, so that could have influenced my perception. They seemed more like Penn State than OSU or Minnesota in that they didn't seem to have the one dominant hitter and relied more on execution and winning key points to win. Prince is good, obviously, but the Badgers were able to make adjustments and slow her down, unlike against Nnamani the next day. One difference from the Minnesota match was that, although the Badgers probably didn't play quite as well offensively against Hawaii as they did in the win against Minnesota, they were able to do more defensively. Bratford and (especially) Martin were hitting over the Badgers all night in Madison, and Bowman torched them with some nasty shots. Hawaii didn't seem to have that kind of firepower. Boogaard and Arnott seemed solid offensively but not dominant, Hittle obviously struggled, and Sanders was very effective, but she was mostly just hitting middle attacks, which a really good defensive team might be able to stop (the Badgers are not one of those). Hawaii did make quite a few nice plays on defense and blocked pretty well (you know, 5'8" setters usually do tend to be a liability on the block, rather than the person getting the solo to win a close game), but I got the feeling that they would have really needed to execute well and make use of their considerable mental toughness (you don't go 30-0 and 6-0 in five gamers coming into the match without that) to win big points in order to beat Stanford and any team they would have faced in the Final Four.
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Post by sIsam on Dec 16, 2004 1:10:48 GMT -5
vow!
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Post by bucky415 on Dec 16, 2004 1:19:18 GMT -5
I was afraid of character limits, so I didn't say much about UW-Stanford. I don't think anyone was beating the Cardinal this weekend. Ogonna was on a mission, and they made few errors. The Badgers were bad in the first game but at least bounced back to make the next two close. Their passing was off most of the day, they didn't have very good floor defense (if they had played like they did against Hawaii, they could have dug some of Ogonna's shots, although many of her hits weren't being dug by anyone, no matter what), and they weren't even getting touches on Nnamani for much of the day. They did contain Richards offensively, but she hit a rollshot into the back corner on an off set for match point (yet another good play by the Cardinal). The Badgers just couldn't score consistently enough to win. Richards blocked Odenthal a couple of times early, and they were able to dig her a lot, so she didn't get rolling. The passing often took Shaw out of the offense, except when she went left side, and Carlini struggled. The Badgers were best when Maria was on (she was only okay offensively against Hawaii, but she had 18 digs and five blocks, which helped a lot), and they struggled when she was having an off match. I don't think the Badgers gave Stanford their best shot, unfortunately, but I really don't think it would have mattered. It just would have been closer, but the result probably the same, unfortunately.
I didn't think the Green Bay regional was too successful. They only had 2,100+ per night, and I recognized a lot of people from matches in Madison (and some of the teams there watching the match also could have just as easily made it to Madison if it had been there). I don't think they reached many new fans, which is really too bad, since the level of play was pretty good. I don't know how to get more people watching this sport. I think that they might come back if they give it a chance, but it is a hard sell, apparently.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Dec 16, 2004 7:17:29 GMT -5
[quote author=BonJoeV link=board=general&thread=1102723071&start=740#49 date=1103148427] I'd like to know...
Was there a particular point in the match that manifested your anger towards the Wahine and their fans?[/quote]
I have no anger toward the Hawaii players. They sound like pretty good people, and they appear to have a lot of heart. I can handle that. I really felt sorry for them after the loss. After coming back so far, it must have been just devastating.
OTOH, I lost respect for most Hawaii fans years ago. Had nothing to do with this match.
Nah, just maniacal laughter.
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Post by 808 on Dec 16, 2004 8:14:05 GMT -5
Thanks for your insight, bucky415!
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Post by islandgirl on Dec 16, 2004 9:20:53 GMT -5
Thanks to both 808 and Bucky415 for the game analyses.
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