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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 23, 2019 15:00:46 GMT -5
OK, I remember, long, long ago in the old days, serves were mostly either flat-footed or jump serves. Then, somewhere, everyone started doing jump-float serves, to the point now where it is preferred over even most jump serves.
Does anyone have a summary of when/how that transition happened?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:04:19 GMT -5
The consensus -- USAV? Gold Medal Squared? both? -- was that it was the best of both worlds. High contact point, erratic flight path, minimized errors. Especially at the highest levels of the sport.
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Post by tomclen on Sept 23, 2019 15:06:02 GMT -5
This is a good topic. It seems to me the Micah Hancock and Cassie Strickland type serves of the VB world have clearly disappeared and there are no signs they're coming back.
I assume coaches must be looking at the stats on risk/reward and deciding these jump floats are best.
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Post by VolleyballFella on Sept 23, 2019 15:21:41 GMT -5
The jump-float can move and sway and catch the passer offguard...whereas the fast and flat can be tracked better and you just need to get under it to get a good spinning pass? I mean, that's why I have problems passing a floater over a fast and hard serve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:23:59 GMT -5
I know the question was when and how, not why. I don't know. I do know USAV embraced it, but did it start there?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 23, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -5
I know the question was when and how, not why. I don't know. I do know USAV embraced it, but did it start there? Exactly. Obviously, everyone agrees it's a great approach, generally better than the alternatives. But when did it start and when did it take over? I asked how and when, not why. |
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 23, 2019 15:43:52 GMT -5
I know the question was when and how, not why. I don't know. I do know USAV embraced it, but did it start there? I believe the jump float started internationally in Italy, or at least, the trend was popularized there, beginning with the establishment of DataProject (aka DataVolley), which was established in Italy in 1982. One of the early proponents was Julio Velasco, an Argentine coach who later became an Italian citizen. www.dataproject.com/en/Company |
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Post by Carlito on Sept 23, 2019 15:44:10 GMT -5
Joe Trinsey shared some data from the USA women's gym. With the Molten ball results were comparable, but with the Mikasa ball you statistically got fewer aces and more errors with a jump spin serve compared to a jump float. The change was at the end of the 2013 season after Karch had a season's worth of data to crunch. The Serbian women's national team just stopped jump spin serving this year.
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Post by sizzlincatfish on Sept 23, 2019 15:49:09 GMT -5
I remember seeing it in the men's collegiate game first. Then quickly to club. I can definitely recall the Sky High team with Ashley Fidler and Stephanie Obermeier. I think the whole team jump-floated.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 23, 2019 15:52:13 GMT -5
In Beach, Laura Ludwig and Keira Walkenhorst started (standing) jump float serving in around 2015, and won Gold in Rio in 2016, and by 2017, it became the dominant method of serving when using the Mikasa FIVB beach volleyball. However on the AVP tour, using the Wilson, hard jump top spin is still used quite a bit (April Ross, Kelly Claes) on the women's side, and Jeremy Casebeer, Reid Priddy, Jake Gibb, Phil Dalhausser on the men's side. But when those same players are playing the Mikasa FIVB ball, they all jump float, and don't even try the hard jump topspin.
It's very ball dependent. The smoother, less seemy the ball (Mikasa is very smooth), the harder it is to get top spin to work , and the more a flat serve with dance.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 23, 2019 15:52:34 GMT -5
I know the question was when and how, not why. I don't know. I do know USAV embraced it, but did it start there? Exactly. Obviously, everyone agrees it's a great approach, generally better than the alternatives. But when did it start and when did it take over? I asked how and when, not why. When they started using wiffle balls? Today's volleyballs are designed to dip and swerve - was that always the case? |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Sept 23, 2019 16:07:30 GMT -5
In the mid 90’s Fred Sturm was an advocate and I think Landry used it on the USA men’s team; he’s the first one I recall using it
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Post by Word on Sept 23, 2019 16:57:35 GMT -5
My older brother started jump floating in '96. He was the only one in his age group doing in club ball that year. And he did it only because he thought he was cool, no idea if it worked better. If this is the earliest known, please let me know so I can dub him Father of the Jump Float.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 23, 2019 17:03:18 GMT -5
My older brother started jump floating in '96. He was the only one in his age group doing in club ball that year. And he did it only because he thought he was cool, no idea if it worked better. If this is the earliest known, please let me know so I can dub him Father of the Jump Float. Be careful, or he may end up owing a LOT of child support payments. |
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Sept 24, 2019 11:59:14 GMT -5
I’ve heard passers say, time after time and several were high level club players, that a good slow float is far tougher to pass then a fast jump float.
This is a player’s statement not my own as I don’t know crap about the topic but I am curious on what the consensus is.
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