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Post by guest2 on Nov 17, 2019 18:18:45 GMT -5
Guy just won so I don't want to be piling dirt on his grave, but when he does retire, USAV needs to exploit his brain and get him to share some of his blocking secrets. Playing primarily against a very strong hitter who is much bigger, seems to jump higher, and has a great swing, 43 year old Jake got in Meewusen's head and took the match from one of the better offensive teams of the last 15 years. It was exaggerated because of his age etc. but this was a trademark Jake Gibb performance, similar to when he and Rosie or he and Stein were regularly taking out physically superior teams.
Imagine if athletes like Stafford or Chase or giants like Ryan had the technique and feel for the game that Jake has at the net? Im not sure if he is temperamentally suited to it, but hard to think of any player whose career has better prepared them to move into coaching than Jake.
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Post by beavis on Nov 18, 2019 2:18:04 GMT -5
So should he be allowed to coach women's teams, or only men? Very serious question!
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Post by guest2 on Nov 18, 2019 9:00:27 GMT -5
So should he be allowed to coach women's teams, or only men? Very serious question! Men, the blocking technique and strategy is very different for men and women and Jake's experience has much less value for the women than the men. I doubt USAV would do it, but Kerri is the equivalent for the women. Still one of the top 3 blockers in the world despite being eclipsed physically and in size by many players. For example Taliqua Clancy is a physical monster who is probably quicker and has a higher jump touch than Kerri but Kerri blocks so much more effectively, its not even close. Alix Klineman is much taller and has a comparable jump, etc. But Kerri is a force a the net that Alix is not - although she is improving. Why? Because of the way she reads the game, the hitter, the set etc. Compare her decision making on when to drop and how she drops to Brandie, who is quicker than Kerri but doesnt make half the plays Kerri does dropping from the net.
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Post by guest2 on Nov 18, 2019 9:56:09 GMT -5
So should he be allowed to coach women's teams, or only men? Very serious question! But since you asked, some recent news from the very healthy world of men coaching women: sports.yahoo.com/eight-nike-oregon-project-athletes-confirm-mary-cains-allegations-of-abuse-to-sports-illustrated-223642373.htmlThats Nike, which was previously widely viewed as having the best track program in the country. What does our own April Ross recommend as a solution to mitigate or prevent this type of abuse? " More women in power, more sports psychologists, more nutritionists, more female physical therapists, there is so much more to sport than and an athletic body and a coach." But surely this is just track, as it was just swimming and taekwondo and gymnastics and tennis etc. before. And surely the many examples of these types of abuses in volleyball were merely atypical and limited to the few people involved. Oh wait, April had more to say, "I’ve seen this in volleyball many times, make sure it’s not happening to you or your kids."
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Post by bouncethat on Nov 18, 2019 13:02:18 GMT -5
Guy just won so I don't want to be piling dirt on his grave, but when he does retire, USAV needs to exploit his brain and get him to share some of his blocking secrets. Playing primarily against a very strong hitter who is much bigger, seems to jump higher, and has a great swing, 43 year old Jake got in Meewusen's head and took the match from one of the better offensive teams of the last 15 years. It was exaggerated because of his age etc. but this was a trademark Jake Gibb performance, similar to when he and Rosie or he and Stein were regularly taking out physically superior teams. Imagine if athletes like Stafford or Chase or giants like Ryan had the technique and feel for the game that Jake has at the net? Im not sure if he is temperamentally suited to it, but hard to think of any player whose career has better prepared them to move into coaching than Jake. I think the problem with blocking, and really just having that feel for the game that Gibb and the best blockers in the world seem to have, is that it can't be taught. There are just brains that see the game differently from the rest and I might be wrong here, but i bet if you asked Jake what his secret is and how he's so effective that he probably wouldn't be able to verbalize it so well.
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Post by guest2 on Nov 18, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -5
Guy just won so I don't want to be piling dirt on his grave, but when he does retire, USAV needs to exploit his brain and get him to share some of his blocking secrets. Playing primarily against a very strong hitter who is much bigger, seems to jump higher, and has a great swing, 43 year old Jake got in Meewusen's head and took the match from one of the better offensive teams of the last 15 years. It was exaggerated because of his age etc. but this was a trademark Jake Gibb performance, similar to when he and Rosie or he and Stein were regularly taking out physically superior teams. Imagine if athletes like Stafford or Chase or giants like Ryan had the technique and feel for the game that Jake has at the net? Im not sure if he is temperamentally suited to it, but hard to think of any player whose career has better prepared them to move into coaching than Jake. I think the problem with blocking, and really just having that feel for the game that Gibb and the best blockers in the world seem to have, is that it can't be taught. There are just brains that see the game differently from the rest and I might be wrong here, but i bet if you asked Jake what his secret is and how he's so effective that he probably wouldn't be able to verbalize it so well. Thats a good point, there was an interesting part in the Sports Gene about how more accomplished athletes tend to see things faster and differently. I think for volleyball players, and players in low income sports generally it may be a little easier because most of them do some coaching while they are playing so they may have thought things out from that perspective more than some top athletes that dont have to do that to garner extra money I wonder if using Go Pros or something similar to accumulate a lot of blocker POV film would be a useful tool
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Post by Confucius on Nov 18, 2019 13:57:27 GMT -5
So should he be allowed to coach women's teams, or only men? Very serious question! But since you asked, some recent news from the very healthy world of men coaching women: sports.yahoo.com/eight-nike-oregon-project-athletes-confirm-mary-cains-allegations-of-abuse-to-sports-illustrated-223642373.htmlThats Nike, which was previously widely viewed as having the best track program in the country. What does our own April Ross recommend as a solution to mitigate or prevent this type of abuse? " More women in power, more sports psychologists, more nutritionists, more female physical therapists, there is so much more to sport than and an athletic body and a coach." But surely this is just track, as it was just swimming and taekwondo and gymnastics and tennis etc. before. And surely the many examples of these types of abuses in volleyball were merely atypical and limited to the few people involved. Oh wait, April had more to say, "I’ve seen this in volleyball many times, make sure it’s not happening to you or your kids." Okay so we've established that there are some awful people in positions of power, that's easily agreeable, and currently those people are slowly being found out (Nike, USA Gymnastics, PSU Football)... but if were gonna approach it this way and say this only happened because a male is in charge, maybe less female teachers should be allowed since they're the ones you always hear about having relations with students!? The issue here is not men, it is a lack of oversight. Nike was funding the program and they were getting results and everyone seemed content, but they let that guy have total control and oversight. Had there been more oversight by Nike, by the committees and governing bodies, by administrations not only in this case, but gymnastics, swimming, taekwondo, football, etc.. these issues could have potentially been avoidable since they might've caught it early. I agree more psychologists, nutritionists, and educated, qualified people should be employed... However, they shouldn't be just females just because... Hire the most qualified and respected people to do the job, you don't just base it off of gender.
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Post by guest2 on Nov 18, 2019 14:47:58 GMT -5
But since you asked, some recent news from the very healthy world of men coaching women: sports.yahoo.com/eight-nike-oregon-project-athletes-confirm-mary-cains-allegations-of-abuse-to-sports-illustrated-223642373.htmlThats Nike, which was previously widely viewed as having the best track program in the country. What does our own April Ross recommend as a solution to mitigate or prevent this type of abuse? " More women in power, more sports psychologists, more nutritionists, more female physical therapists, there is so much more to sport than and an athletic body and a coach." But surely this is just track, as it was just swimming and taekwondo and gymnastics and tennis etc. before. And surely the many examples of these types of abuses in volleyball were merely atypical and limited to the few people involved. Oh wait, April had more to say, "I’ve seen this in volleyball many times, make sure it’s not happening to you or your kids." Okay so we've established that there are some awful people in positions of power, that's easily agreeable, and currently those people are slowly being found out (Nike, USA Gymnastics, PSU Football)... but if were gonna approach it this way and say this only happened because a male is in charge, maybe less female teachers should be allowed since they're the ones you always hear about having relations with students!? The issue here is not men, it is a lack of oversight. Nike was funding the program and they were getting results and everyone seemed content, but they let that guy have total control and oversight. Had there been more oversight by Nike, by the committees and governing bodies, by administrations not only in this case, but gymnastics, swimming, taekwondo, football, etc.. these issues could have potentially been avoidable since they might've caught it early. I agree more psychologists, nutritionists, and educated, qualified people should be employed... However, they shouldn't be just females just because... Hire the most qualified and respected people to do the job, you don't just base it off of gender. The issue isnt oversight. As happens pretty much every time, its rapidly going to become clear that plenty of people at Nike knew about this, just like PSU, like Michigan State, like gymnastics, like Mary Pearce and on and on and on. The natural urge of institutions is to cover stuff like this up or mitigate it or to help their friends and thats what always happens. There is one obvious step that solves maybe 50-75% of the problem in on fell swoop, why not take it? Big Fox News watcher? They publish a disproportionate number of stories about female teachers, but you are wrong about the frequency. They are much less likely to sexually abuse students than male teachers, I think about 1/3 of the cases are women, although I havent seen stats recently, and teaching is a field thats about 75% women. The reason those cases get publicity is they are man bites dog and a lot of people see them as funny. These scandals are now happening as regularly as school shootings. Are there plenty of men who can be trusted coaching girls and women? Sure of course, just like the overwhelming majority of gun owners are good people whose guns are used safely or not at all. But abuses and harms are now so frequent and regular why take the risk?
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Post by bouncethat on Nov 18, 2019 19:28:02 GMT -5
I think the problem with blocking, and really just having that feel for the game that Gibb and the best blockers in the world seem to have, is that it can't be taught. There are just brains that see the game differently from the rest and I might be wrong here, but i bet if you asked Jake what his secret is and how he's so effective that he probably wouldn't be able to verbalize it so well. Thats a good point, there was an interesting part in the Sports Gene about how more accomplished athletes tend to see things faster and differently. I think for volleyball players, and players in low income sports generally it may be a little easier because most of them do some coaching while they are playing so they may have thought things out from that perspective more than some top athletes that dont have to do that to garner extra money I wonder if using Go Pros or something similar to accumulate a lot of blocker POV film would be a useful tool I would love it if you could get it so that the camera followed the eye movements of the blockers instead of just the head turning back and forth
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Jake Gibb
Nov 18, 2019 21:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by hustleslowly on Nov 18, 2019 21:35:43 GMT -5
So should he be allowed to coach women's teams, or only men? Very serious question! But since you asked, some recent news from the very healthy world of men coaching women: sports.yahoo.com/eight-nike-oregon-project-athletes-confirm-mary-cains-allegations-of-abuse-to-sports-illustrated-223642373.htmlThats Nike, which was previously widely viewed as having the best track program in the country. What does our own April Ross recommend as a solution to mitigate or prevent this type of abuse? " More women in power, more sports psychologists, more nutritionists, more female physical therapists, there is so much more to sport than and an athletic body and a coach." But surely this is just track, as it was just swimming and taekwondo and gymnastics and tennis etc. before. And surely the many examples of these types of abuses in volleyball were merely atypical and limited to the few people involved. Oh wait, April had more to say, "I’ve seen this in volleyball many times, make sure it’s not happening to you or your kids." Men definitely shouldn't be coaching women because of this Nike scandal. They also shouldn't be allowed to be teachers or work with little girls in nurseries. As a matter of fact, Catholic priests have molested boys. Men should really just become hermits.
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Post by ajm on Nov 18, 2019 22:22:51 GMT -5
But since you asked, some recent news from the very healthy world of men coaching women: sports.yahoo.com/eight-nike-oregon-project-athletes-confirm-mary-cains-allegations-of-abuse-to-sports-illustrated-223642373.htmlThats Nike, which was previously widely viewed as having the best track program in the country. What does our own April Ross recommend as a solution to mitigate or prevent this type of abuse? " More women in power, more sports psychologists, more nutritionists, more female physical therapists, there is so much more to sport than and an athletic body and a coach." But surely this is just track, as it was just swimming and taekwondo and gymnastics and tennis etc. before. And surely the many examples of these types of abuses in volleyball were merely atypical and limited to the few people involved. Oh wait, April had more to say, "I’ve seen this in volleyball many times, make sure it’s not happening to you or your kids." Men definitely shouldn't be coaching women because of this Nike scandal. They also shouldn't be allowed to be teachers or work with little girls in nurseries. As a matter of fact, Catholic priests have molested boys. Men should really just become hermits. Wow, way to miss the point there.
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Jake Gibb
Nov 18, 2019 23:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by hustleslowly on Nov 18, 2019 23:31:38 GMT -5
Men definitely shouldn't be coaching women because of this Nike scandal. They also shouldn't be allowed to be teachers or work with little girls in nurseries. As a matter of fact, Catholic priests have molested boys. Men should really just become hermits. Wow, way to miss the point there. People should be coached by those who give them the best chance to win. Preference shouldn't be given, but I know the world isn't perfect and it is given to men over women.
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Jake Gibb
Nov 18, 2019 23:58:57 GMT -5
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Post by itssteve on Nov 18, 2019 23:58:57 GMT -5
On a different note it’s great to see Jake back on the podium. The last time he made a FIVB podium was 2015
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Post by ajm on Nov 19, 2019 8:15:24 GMT -5
On a different note it’s great to see Jake back on the podium. The last time he made a FIVB podium was 2015 I was wondering whether he’s the oldest player to win an FIVB event?
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Post by guest2 on Nov 19, 2019 8:31:19 GMT -5
On a different note it’s great to see Jake back on the podium. The last time he made a FIVB podium was 2015 I was wondering whether he’s the oldest player to win an FIVB event? He is. It was Hyden before who was 41 at the time May also be the biggest gap in partner age. That was also Bourne/Hyden
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