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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 15:34:16 GMT -5
because UCLA doesn’t have good grad schools? Do you have stats on that? What is the employment stat of grads? Avg salary? Not good to/for YOU maybe, but in the eye of the beholder, perfectly good. I think they were saying that UCLA does have good grad schools (i.e. the question was sarcastic), not that they don't.
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Post by azvolleydad on Jan 18, 2020 15:34:37 GMT -5
Well, my understanding is that, at least in academia, it's frowned upon to go to the same school for one's undergraduate and graduate degrees. My sister has a PhD in chemistry and is a university professor and knows a ton of people in that world, and that's what she told me. That's correct. Because generally the same faculty teach both undergrad and graduate classes within a university, it is encouraged to do undergrad and grad school at different institutions to learn from different faculty and for broader range of views and teaching specialties. ill take your word for it. Not true at all in law.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 15:35:59 GMT -5
That's correct. Because generally the same faculty teach both undergrad and graduate classes within a university, it is encouraged to do undergrad and grad school at different institutions to learn from different faculty and for broader range of views and teaching specialties. ill take your word for it. Not true at all in law. Yes, you are right. I went to the same law school as my undergrad school, and many of my classmates did the same.
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Post by azvolleydad on Jan 18, 2020 15:36:12 GMT -5
because UCLA doesn’t have good grad schools? Do you have stats on that? What is the employment stat of grads? Avg salary? Not good to/for YOU maybe, but in the eye of the beholder, perfectly good. my sarcasm is too subtle. UCLA has amazing grad schools in a lot of different disciplines.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 15:39:08 GMT -5
Well, my understanding is that, at least in academia, it's frowned upon to go to the same school for one's undergraduate and graduate degrees. My sister has a PhD in chemistry and is a university professor and knows a ton of people in that world, and that's what she told me. That's correct. Because generally the same faculty teach both undergrad and graduate classes within a university, it is encouraged to do undergrad and grad school at different institutions to learn from different faculty and for broader range of views and teaching specialties. Yeah, the term "academic inbreeding" is what she told me they're trying to avoid. It is different in law (not sure on other graduate programs), but the difference there is that your law professors are not going to be the same as your professors for your undergraduate degree (which could be in anything).
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Post by trainermch on Jan 18, 2020 15:40:10 GMT -5
Do you have stats on that? What is the employment stat of grads? Avg salary? Not good to/for YOU maybe, but in the eye of the beholder, perfectly good. my sarcasm is too subtle. UCLA has amazing grad schools in a lot of different disciplines. OK I always get sarcasm, and am one of the worst for dishing it. I missed this one. Smh.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jan 18, 2020 15:41:44 GMT -5
That's correct. Because generally the same faculty teach both undergrad and graduate classes within a university, it is encouraged to do undergrad and grad school at different institutions to learn from different faculty and for broader range of views and teaching specialties. ill take your word for it. Not true at all in law. When was that? Because the trends in admissions have changed over the years. Unless the school is offering an accelerated program (like a 5-year undergrad+JD program or JD/MBA accelerated program), admissions is trending towards accepting non-traditional undergrad majors and not accepting as many from their own undergraduate population.
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Post by NittanyLions on Jan 18, 2020 15:43:43 GMT -5
This thread seemed promising for spurts. Unfortunately, people chased away the tea providers and keep driving this thread off its rails. I think I'm done with VT in the off-season. See y'all in the fall.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 16:19:13 GMT -5
ill take your word for it. Not true at all in law. When was that? Because the trends in admissions have changed over the years. Unless the school is offering an accelerated program (like a 5-year undergrad+JD program or JD/MBA accelerated program), admissions is trending towards accepting non-traditional undergrad majors and not accepting as many from their own undergraduate population. Out of curiosity, what are the "non-traditional" majors? You can major in literally anything and go to law school. When I was in law school (2011-2012), the most common majors were political science (by a lot), history, English, and communications--majors that don't have the best job prospects on their own. But there were also plenty of other majors. Unless someone wanted to be a patent lawyer (requires STEM degree), their undergrad degree didn't usually matter.
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Post by rjaege on Jan 18, 2020 16:31:10 GMT -5
When was that? Because the trends in admissions have changed over the years. Unless the school is offering an accelerated program (like a 5-year undergrad+JD program or JD/MBA accelerated program), admissions is trending towards accepting non-traditional undergrad majors and not accepting as many from their own undergraduate population. Out of curiosity, what are the "non-traditional" majors? You can major in literally anything and go to law school. When I was in law school (2011-2012), the most common majors were political science (by a lot), history, English, and communications--majors that don't have the best job prospects on their own. But there were also plenty of other majors. Unless someone wanted to be a patent lawyer (requires STEM degree), their undergrad degree didn't usually matter. THIS IS NOT VB TRANSFER TEA!
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 18, 2020 16:38:01 GMT -5
That's correct. Because generally the same faculty teach both undergrad and graduate classes within a university, it is encouraged to do undergrad and grad school at different institutions to learn from different faculty and for broader range of views and teaching specialties. ill take your word for it. Not true at all in law. Law school ≠ graduate school Law school = professional school, much like Dental school, Optometry School, Chiropractor school, Veterinarian school
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 18, 2020 16:38:38 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what are the "non-traditional" majors? You can major in literally anything and go to law school. When I was in law school (2011-2012), the most common majors were political science (by a lot), history, English, and communications--majors that don't have the best job prospects on their own. But there were also plenty of other majors. Unless someone wanted to be a patent lawyer (requires STEM degree), their undergrad degree didn't usually matter. THIS IS NOT VB TRANSFER TEA! Well, this discussion started because some were asking why volleyball players would transfer to another university for graduate school. Feel free to add something productive instead of an all-caps complaint.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 18, 2020 16:45:47 GMT -5
When was that? Because the trends in admissions have changed over the years. Unless the school is offering an accelerated program (like a 5-year undergrad+JD program or JD/MBA accelerated program), admissions is trending towards accepting non-traditional undergrad majors and not accepting as many from their own undergraduate population. Out of curiosity, what are the "non-traditional" majors? You can major in literally anything and go to law school. When I was in law school (2011-2012), the most common majors were political science (by a lot), history, English, and communications--majors that don't have the best job prospects on their own. But there were also plenty of other majors. Unless someone wanted to be a patent lawyer (requires STEM degree), their undergrad degree didn't usually matter. You can major in anything before going to law school. I've encountered attorneys who majored in art, architecture, drama, piano pedagogy, animal science, and philosophy, not to mention the traditional majors like English, History, Political Science, and Economics. For patent law, you can major in anything unless you wanted to prosecute patent applications before the U.S. Patent Office, i.e., help inventors get patents by preparing their applications to its ultimate conclusion (getting a patent). But you don't need an engineering/science/computer degree to litigate patent cases or do anything related to patent law (other than prosecute patent applications, as mentioned above). Also, you don't need to go to law school to prosecute patent apps, as you can simply be a patent agent who is not an attorney. Major in engineering/science/computer stuff, take the patent bar exam, and voila, you're a patent agent!
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Post by vbshrink on Jan 18, 2020 18:50:14 GMT -5
Well, my understanding is that, at least in academia, it's frowned upon to go to the same school for one's undergraduate and graduate degrees. My sister has a PhD in chemistry and is a university professor and knows a ton of people in that world, and that's what she told me. This is true. Some schools don't even accept applications from there own undergraduate program, with some exceptions, of course. This is not true, generally, for terminal master’s degrees. If you get your undergrad training and your doctoral training at the same institution, there are (or could be) questions about the breadth of the discipline that you’ve been exposed to. These questions are pretty much moot for master’s degree candidates, who typically aren’t engaging in research or scholarship after getting the master’s. It’s actually pretty common to stay at one school for a non-doctoral degree.
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Post by redcard on Jan 18, 2020 19:15:07 GMT -5
50 Pages in and the tea cup is still half full....later gang..😠
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